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Am Sa., 23. Sept. 2023 um 13:16 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati <
sedranas(a)gmail.com>gt;:
> Hello MF-Warburg,
> So sorry for my late answer. I am currently
in Ivory Coast for a
> conference and I am not really always connected, apologies for that!
> Please if you have posted on Meta let me
know, and I will take it to the
> MCDC. Thank you very much!
> Best regards,
> Anass
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 9:04 AM MF-Warburg
<mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com
> wrote:
>> @ Anass: Can you convey these comments?
Otherwise I can only post them on
>> Meta on Wednesday.
>
>> MF-Warburg
<mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> schrieb am Mi., 13. Sept. 2023,
>> 01:30:
>
>>> If there are no other comments, I
will post these on the talk page.
>>
>>> Am Di.,
5. Sept. 2023 um 22:15 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
>>> mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>gt;:
>>
>>>> Some
comments, I invite your additions and comments. I hope we can have
>>>> a consensus so we can give our comments "as Langcom", not as
individual
>>>> members.
>>>
>>>> ===
Approving new language projects - standards setting ===
>>>> [1] * The Language Committee (LangCom) reports to the Global Council.
>>>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form and structure of
>>>> LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement Charter.
>>>> [2] * The Global Council may modify prerequisites for language projects
>>>> to be recognised.
>>>> [3] * The Global Council may choose to allow LangCom to directly
>>>> recognise new language projects or retain that authority for itself.
>>>> [4] * In this new structure, LangCom is tasked to verify that proposed
>>>> projects are substantial and sufficiently supported.
>>>
>>>> ===
Closure of lingual and sister projects ===
>>>> [5] * The Global Council possesses the authority to veto decisions to
>>>> close a lingual project. It may set its own standards on whether to vote
on
>>>> such matters. Where it does not vote, the Language Committee (LangCom)
will
>>>> take the decision.
>>>> [Does not relate to Langcom] * An affirmative vote of the Global
>>>> Council is required to progress with closing a sister project. The
Global
>>>> Council may set additional criteria before voting. The viability of
project
>>>> continuation and necessity of closing will be extensively checked before
>>>> final voting by Global Council.
>>>> [6] * The Global Council, through LangCom, would have the authority to
>>>> set standards to close an incubator project. In the absence of Global
>>>> Council action, LangCom will continue to set its own standards.
>>>
>>>> To
point 1. I suggest acknowledging that Langcom already exists and has
>>>> a structure and a [[m:Language_committee#Charter|charter]], which
however
>>>> still shows signs of being from the time Langcom was established.
>>>
>>>> To
point 2. I suggest making clear that this relates to the
>>>> [[m:Language proposal policy]]. It should be made clear if the Global
>>>> Council should have the competency to change this policy (alone?).
>>>
>>>> To
point 3. Please make clear what "recognise" means. Currently we have
>>>> "verification as eligible" and "final approval", both
are done by Langcom.
>>>> The Board has years ago waived the requirement that they formally be
>>>> consulted for a final approval (i.e. wiki creation). I suggest keeping
it
>>>> that way and striking this point, as the current process works and it
would
>>>> be strange to reserve the creation of wikis to a different body.
>>>
>>>> To
point 4. Please make clear if this is supposed to be a change from
>>>> current policy.
>>>
>>>> To
point 5. Please use "language version" instead of "lingual project".
>>>> This is the established terminology and, I think, also clearer than the
>>>> relatively unknown adjective "lingual".
>>>
>>>> To
point 6. What would it mean to close an Incubator project?
>>>> Currently, projects on Incubator can get deleted / prevented from
creation,
>>>> but that is an Incubator community / admins decision. Also, don't
forget
>>>> that Wikisource and Wikiversity are being incubated on the Multilingual
>>>> Wikisource and BetaWikiversity, respectively.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am Fr., 1. Sept. 2023 um 13:28 Uhr schrieb MF-Warburg <
>>>> mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>gt;:
>>>
>>>>>
I will try to write something over the weekend.
>>>>
>>>>>
Am Sa., 26. Aug. 2023 um 10:03 Uhr schrieb Anass Sedrati <
>>>>> sedranas(a)gmail.com>gt;:
>>>>
>>>>>> Hello and sorry for my late answer,
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is important to voice and share your feedback as I have
mentioned
>>>>>> that the MCDC is now having its community conversation period.
Could you
>>>>>> please share your feedback at the talk page of the Global
Council
>>>>>> draft
>>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council>?
>>>>>> If it is not possible, just let me know and I can see how to take
it to the
>>>>>> MCDC to make sure that your opinion is gathered during this round
before
>>>>>> shaping the next draft. Thank you again for taking the time and
caring
>>>>>> about the movement charter :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish you an excellent weekend!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anass
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 6:37 AM Sotiale Wiki
<sotiale.wm(a)gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The realization of the power specified on the page
sounds like the
>>>>>>> power to override the consensus and process of the existing
global
>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Global Council makes the final decisions on form
and structure
>>>>>>>> of LangCom, subject to the provisions within the Movement
Charter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not clear in what sense the expression was used.
It sounds
>>>>>>> like the GC can elect or dismiss members as an oversight
body.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Global Council may modify prerequisites for
language projects to
>>>>>>>> be recognised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is thought to grant the power to override the
contents of the
>>>>>>> current LPP. But this will cause serious confusion.
>>>>>>> Because this would rather create exceptions, the existing
langcom
>>>>>>> would be crippled and appealed to the GC, the appellate
body.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are other points of concern, such as how does the
GC oversee
>>>>>>> langcom's structure and decision making?
>>>>>>> I am concerned that the complaints and problems of each local
wiki
>>>>>>> about OC (I am not talking about the current OC) that have
been pointed out
>>>>>>> in the past will be implemented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sotiale
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> 2023년 8월 15일 (화) 오전
1:03, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.xn--com>-4f21ay07k
>>>>>>> 작성:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have noticed that at <
>>>>>>>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Content/Global_Council#Res…gt;,
>>>>>>>> it is suggested to make the proposed Global Council
responsible for
>>>>>>>> oversight over Langcom, instead of - like it currently is
- the Board. So
>>>>>>>> far, nobody has invited us to comment on this, about
which I am surprised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My first impression is that it would not change a
lot, but it still
>>>>>>>> implies there will be *some* changes to the Langcom
processes. For now, I
>>>>>>>> just wanted to send a quick email to inform you all, but
I think it would
>>>>>>>> be worthwhile to look into that and to make a statement
about the proposal
>>>>>>>> that is backed by the consensus of the committee.
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