NB: there has also been a discussion at < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Morocca.... I believe there are several requests open for related languages. It would be good to have some clarity to avoid the community being split into multiple incubator test-wikis.
Am Fr., 18. Aug. 2023 um 14:38 Uhr schrieb Sotiale Wiki < sotiale.wm@gmail.com>:
Thank you for your kind explanation.
If this can be understood as the relationship between Standard Arabic (ISO 639:arb) and Arabic (ISO 639:ara), then zgh is not a distinct language because it is just a standard representation of Berber languages. This is true even in light of the current LPP, which excludes different written forms of any language.
Therefore, it seems that eligibility for this language cannot be recognized.
Sotiale
2023년 8월 16일 (수) 오후 10:48, Anass Sedrati sedranas@gmail.com님이 작성:
Hello,
I am very familiar with this case as I come myself from Morocco and speak Berber. The standard Tamazight ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Moroccan_Amazigh) is not a spoken language, but only a written one. It was created by the official Academy of Berber languages in Morocco ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Institute_of_Amazigh_Culture) in an attempt to standardize the Berber languages, as there are many of them spoken in Morocco (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber_languages).
So to answer you, standard Tamazight is exactly like modern standard Arabic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Standard_Arabic). It is a standardized language with rules, but not a spoken one (nobody speaks standard Arabic as a mother tongue, every Arab country has its own dialect).
This is to explain that even if it not native, Zgh can be treated as modern standard Arabic in terms of linguistics. I hope that this gives a bit of context, but I am happy to expand on any aspect if you have additional questions!
Best regards,
Anass
On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 3:00 PM Sotiale Wiki sotiale.wm@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all.
I'm not familiar with the Moroccan languages, so I'd love to hear from other colleagues.
I'm considering this language project as a potential candidate for approval, but I'm wondering if this is a standardization of other languages, or a distinct language from others?
Since this site[1] states that there are no native speakers, I wondered if this was just standardization of other languages(the case that native speakers have a standardized language while using their own languages).
[1] https://www.ethnologue.com/language/zgh/
Sotiale
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