You can simply ignore comments you don't like instead of showing nice of you.
On 5/6/2015 10:00 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, Non-members may be asked to shut up. Members vote, their opinion counts. Thanks, GerardM
On 6 May 2015 at 18:56, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote:
I have rights to speak and give my opinion whether you like it not. You're not locals, I'm sharing my knowledge. On 5/6/2015 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg wrote: > I would appreciate it if non-members could be reserved in throwing around their own expertise and dismissing linguists' opinions, if they are not themselves experts in this field. On 5/6/2015 9:12 PM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:Hoi, Please do not be unnecessarily negative.. Preferences are just that. Thanks, Gere On 6 May 2015 at 17:49, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote: If Anonby thinks that it's a shame Lurish must use more old Lurish verbs that new driven from Persian verbs, then we should start speaking in Old English. btw Mohammad Mogoei (Mogoeilor) is native Northeren Luri from capital of Lurestan province and he knows all dialects of Luri language including Southern and Bakhtiari. On 5/6/2015 8:00 PM, MF-Warburg wrote:I. We still haven't formally said yet that Northern Luri is an eligible language, but it seems like there is no issue with it. II. Activity: Most-used msgs are complete [1] & contributions on Incubator are steady since >12 months (thousands of small edits always by Mogoeilor, who should use preview more often, but also contributions from other users), though so far in this month only 2 users over the 10-edit-threshold [2]. III. About Erik Anonby's response, I wonder how "welcoming" the peculiarities noted by him would be to other speakers of the language who do not use this particular dialect. Should we maybe ask him or Mehdi Moshkriz for their opinion on that? [1] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrc> [2] <https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#distribution_201505> 2015-04-28 10:44 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <info@oliverstegen.net <mailto:info@oliverstegen.net>>: Have we passed step #1 yet? i.e. has Northern Luri fulfilled the requirements for leaving the incubator? If yes, is the aforementioned Erik Anonby an acceptable reference? I've actually met him several years ago at a linguistics conference, so if we all agree that we've concluded step #1, I'd be happy to contact him to see whether he himself could verify Northern Luri or whether he could recommend someone else to do so for us. Fwiw, Oliver On 28-Apr-15 1:15 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:Thanks, that sounds perfectly reasonable. Is there an owner to the process, e.g. a committee secretary, to ensure that in case of silence after asking #2, there is actual progress toward #3, so that it doesn't fall between the cracks? A. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:38 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com <mailto:mfwarburg@googlemail.com>> wrote: We obviously discuss 1. whether at this stage we need to verify the content at all 2. if yes, whether someone knows an expert already 3. if no, whom to contact. Then we contact people. 2015-04-27 22:51 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov <abartov@wikimedia.org <mailto:abartov@wikimedia.org>>: I'm not clear on the committee's process: Is it the expectation of this committee that nothing will happen until Someone<tm> produces expert testimony confirming that the content currently in the Northern Luri Wikipedia is in fact Northern Luri? Or is the committee taking any steps to secure such testimony? A. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com <mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>> wrote: Hoi, Reading an article does not make us an expert. Thanks, GerardM On 27 April 2015 at 15:17, Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com <mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com>> wrote: Here's the article I found titled "Update on Luri: How many languages?" by Erik John Anonby: original link <http://anonby.balafon.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/jra-172-171-197.pdf>, you can see on the figure #2, said "Luri-Lurestani-khorramabadi" is the main dialect and "Luri-Borujerdi" is the other dialect of Northern Luri (lrc), and on the figure #3 shown west of current Iran's map, said "Lurestani" is the main area of Northern Luri (lrc), lower on these dialects is "Laki" on the figure #2 sands for Laki language (lki) , and "Laki" area on the figure #3. On the figure #2 upper of Northern Luri (lrc) dialects you can see the "Bakhtiari" (bqi) dialects and "Kohkiloyeh" and "Bouyerahmad" (Southern Luri [luz]) as well. On pages #186 to #197 you can compares the example differences between these languages. On 4/27/2015 2:14 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:As I mentioned also concerning Western Balochi, we need an outside scholar / linguist / language expert for verification purposes. Any useful bona-fide contacts? On 25-Apr-15 6:41 PM, Mjbmr wrote:This <https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/lrc/%D9%86%D9%88%D9%85%DA%AF%D9%87_%DA%AF%D9%88%D8%AA%D8%A7%D8%B1%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B2%D8%A7%D8%B1> is the list of top articles was provided by Mogoeilor, even he named the language of this wikipedia, Northern Luri on their main page, and I didn't see that. On 4/25/2015 11:27 AM, Mjbmr wrote:> Yes. > > On 4/25/2015 11:22 AM, Gerard > Meijssen wrote: >> Hoi, >> A longstanding requirement for any >> and all languages is that they have >> to have an ISO-639-3 code and, that >> they are a language not a macro >> language. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 25 April 2015 at 08:16, Mjbmr >> <mjbmri@gmail.com >> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> There is no such thing as they >> are a resources of world's >> languages, people are the >> resources and they only >> maintainer code, the unified >> codes that the world uses. Is >> there any confirmation of Luri >> Wikipedia yet? >> >> >> On 4/25/2015 10:31 AM, Gerard >> Meijssen wrote: >>> Hoi, >>> Ethnologue is the maintainer >>> of the ISO-639-3. As such they >>> are an authority. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 25 April 2015 at 06:34, >>> Mjbmr <mjbmri@gmail.com >>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You're right, I can't >>> trust a self verification >>> too, but what do you >>> expect me do to?, you can >>> probably find a lot of >>> trustable resources on the >>> Internet, I my self can't >>> even trust ethnologue, >>> because I found unuseful >>> information on it and I >>> don't know where they come >>> from, at least in >>> Wikipedia, we have >>> resources, I didn't expect >>> that from you. >>> >>> >>> On 4/25/2015 8:46 AM, >>> Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>> Hoi, >>>> Wikipedia is in this not >>>> an authority. It has >>>> never been. Again, self >>>> certification does not >>>> work for me.. We have >>>> been hurt by that before. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 25 April 2015 at >>>> 00:03, Mjbmr >>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Alright then, that's >>>> Northern Luri, fair >>>> enough, I didn't have >>>> any knowledge that >>>> there is a southern >>>> dialect of it and >>>> people of Kohgiluyeh >>>> and Boyerahmadi, and >>>> Yasuj speak that, I >>>> only knew Lorestan, >>>> but per English >>>> wikipedia, they're >>>> dialects of Northern >>>> Luri which this wiki >>>> is written in. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4/25/2015 2:12 AM, >>>> Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> Check this out ... >>>>> http://www.ethnologue.com/subgroups/luri-0 >>>>> >>>>> It rather >>>>> complicates >>>>> things... By the way >>>>> self certification >>>>> is not a good idea. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 24 April 2015 at >>>>> 22:45, Mjbmr >>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes. 100%, as I >>>>> live Iran and I >>>>> know some parts >>>>> of this >>>>> language, it is >>>>> definitely Luri. >>>>> Mohammad Mogoei >>>>> (User:Mogoeilor) >>>>> the most active >>>>> user of this >>>>> project is from >>>>> Lorestan so >>>>> definitely he >>>>> speaks in this >>>>> language every >>>>> day. In Iran >>>>> it's called >>>>> Luri, some >>>>> people call it >>>>> Lurish >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Lurish >>>>> as the >>>>> translation for >>>>> English, per >>>>> this >>>>> http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=lrc >>>>> the language >>>>> should be called >>>>> Northern Luri, >>>>> but none of it >>>>> dialects are >>>>> called Luri, so >>>>> I call it Luri >>>>> too. I have also >>>>> submitted and >>>>> now accepted a >>>>> ticket to CLDR >>>>> to support this >>>>> language. Other >>>>> proposal of >>>>> dialects of this >>>>> language like >>>>> Bakhtiari >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Bakhtiari >>>>> failed because >>>>> of being a part >>>>> of this >>>>> language. Also >>>>> they list of >>>>> article I've >>>>> just provided >>>>> are the best of >>>>> them as you can >>>>> see there are no >>>>> Persian words in >>>>> them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 4/25/2015 >>>>> 12:37 AM, Gerard >>>>> Meijssen wrote: >>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>> Do we have >>>>>> confirmation >>>>>> that it is >>>>>> indeed Luri ? >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Gerard >>>>>> >>>>>> On 24 April >>>>>> 2015 at 20:42, >>>>>> Mjbmr >>>>>> <mjbmri@gmail.com >>>>>> mailto:mjbmri@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I ask >>>>>> langcom >>>>>> members for >>>>>> approval of >>>>>> Luri Wikipedia, >>>>>> >>>>>> here are >>>>>> some top >>>>>> articles I >>>>>> could list, >>>>>> but there >>>>>> are more of >>>>>> them >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. استیو >>>>>> جابز >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A7%D8%B3%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%88_%D8%AC%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B2 >>>>>> (Steve >>>>>> Jobs) >>>>>> 2. آلورت >>>>>> انیشتین >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%A2%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B1%D8%AA_%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%B4%D8%AA%DB%8C%D9%86 >>>>>> (Albert >>>>>> Einstein) >>>>>> 3. کلمبیا >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D9%84%D9%85%D8%A8%DB%8C%D8%A7 >>>>>> (Colombia) >>>>>> 4. شهید >>>>>> چمران >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D9%87%DB%8C%D8%AF_%DA%86%D9%85%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%86 >>>>>> (Mostafa Chamran) >>>>>> 5. شایا >>>>>> عیلامی >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%A7_%D8%B9%DB%8C%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%85%DB%8C >>>>>> (List >>>>>> of >>>>>> rulers >>>>>> of Elam) >>>>>> 6. کارلوس >>>>>> فوئنتس >>>>>> http:///wiki/Wp/lrc/%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%84%D9%88%D8%B3_%D9%81%D9%88%D8%A6%D9%86%D8%AA%D8%B3 >>>>>> (Carlos >>>>>> Fuentes) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Analysis >>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/meta/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/lrc&wiki=incubatorwiki#list_editors >>>>>> shows that >>>>>> this >>>>>> project has >>>>>> enough >>>>>> users and >>>>>> most of >>>>>> mediawiki >>>>>> message >>>>>> https://tools.wmflabs.org/robin/?tool=codelookup&code=lrchas >>>>>> been >>>>>> translated. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom >>>>>> mailing list >>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >
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