Dear Sir,
I thank you for supporting me since 2011 in my efforts to implement the Tunisian Arabic dialect in Wikimedia projects. When I was in WikiConvention Francophone last August, I have discussed Tunisian Arabic Wikipedia and Wiktionary with language societies in France as well as with WMF users interested in localizing the languages of France. After this WikiConvention Francophone, we decided to stop working on our Wikipedia and Wiktionary projects and work on translating WikiData as it involves all the information provided by Wikipedia and Wiktionary. We will use aeb-arab as undiacriticized Arabic script and aeb-latin as Tunisian Arabic Chat Alphabet. In order to do that, we need your help. In fact, we have to substitute the name of aeb-arab from تونسي to التونسي and the name of aeb-latin from Tûnsî to Et-tounsi. Please reply me soon.
Yours Sincerely,
Houcemeddine Turki
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1. Re: Canadian French (MF-Warburg) 2. Re: Canadian French (Gerard Meijssen)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 09:55:47 +0100 From: MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Lydia Pintscher Lydia.Pintscher@wikimedia.de Subject: Re: [Langcom] Canadian French Message-ID: CAJKMOMUbise3intDA7zPu8mdbqnW0hPYymOuvHw2Dijiu223KQ@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Ok. So is there some rule of thumb we could formulate about whether or not a specific BCP 47 should be allowed for Wikidata?
2016-11-23 6:26 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Yes. But the point is that our position has always been that for a language we accept ISO-639-3 for Wikidata without a localisation effort. For BCP 47 we have not done so and there is not the same blanket need to accept them. When a BCP 47 needs a different date format, it is a matter of localisation to make that happen. It is not what this do in Wikidata. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 November 2016 at 01:44, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 23, 2016 00:47, "MF-Warburg" mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
2016-11-22 15:33 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
I don't think it's true at the moment, but imagine the next
integration:
- A person is born on year/January/date. That's the data Wikipedia
should take from Wikidata.
- A user says "I am a German from Germany" and has that as
localization, instead of default Austrian version.
- What's the method of telling Wikidata to give German German January
instead of Austrian German January inside of the infobox?
Well, as dates in Wikidata are not stored as "5. Jänner 1980" in the
first place, that seems no problem. The infobox' code will simply translate 1980-01-05 differently, depending on the users' language settings. Or am I mistaken?
That was just an example, not the best one. The point is that Wikidata operates with the open set of words and that we could easily come into the position to force a user to read even something completely strangr to him or her.
For example, the term Art Noveau/Secession and similar could easily become a category and a difference between the two varieties. And by reading one variety, a user could come into position not to understand that.
I could find a lot of such potential pairs between Serbian and Croatian, which are distant on similar level as Spanish varieties, so it's not hard to me to imagine that keeping strict ISO 639-3 codes instead of BCP 47 could make confusion.
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:08:01 +0100 From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee langcom@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Langcom] Canadian French Message-ID: CAO53wxUoTFkzUYpMwY3W=5yoRB7T43bh9vvabAW0ePic-x03rw@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Hoi, In my opinion we should leave BCP 47 for what it is. There is no point in including it at this time. It will become relevant once Wiktionary data is included in Wikidata. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 November 2016 at 09:55, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Ok. So is there some rule of thumb we could formulate about whether or not a specific BCP 47 should be allowed for Wikidata?
2016-11-23 6:26 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi, Yes. But the point is that our position has always been that for a language we accept ISO-639-3 for Wikidata without a localisation effort. For BCP 47 we have not done so and there is not the same blanket need to accept them. When a BCP 47 needs a different date format, it is a matter of localisation to make that happen. It is not what this do in Wikidata. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 November 2016 at 01:44, Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 23, 2016 00:47, "MF-Warburg" mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
2016-11-22 15:33 GMT+01:00 Milos Rancic millosh@gmail.com:
I don't think it's true at the moment, but imagine the next
integration:
- A person is born on year/January/date. That's the data Wikipedia
should take from Wikidata.
- A user says "I am a German from Germany" and has that as
localization, instead of default Austrian version.
- What's the method of telling Wikidata to give German German January
instead of Austrian German January inside of the infobox?
Well, as dates in Wikidata are not stored as "5. Jänner 1980" in the
first place, that seems no problem. The infobox' code will simply translate 1980-01-05 differently, depending on the users' language settings. Or am I mistaken?
That was just an example, not the best one. The point is that Wikidata operates with the open set of words and that we could easily come into the position to force a user to read even something completely strangr to him or her.
For example, the term Art Noveau/Secession and similar could easily become a category and a difference between the two varieties. And by reading one variety, a user could come into position not to understand that.
I could find a lot of such potential pairs between Serbian and Croatian, which are distant on similar level as Spanish varieties, so it's not hard to me to imagine that keeping strict ISO 639-3 codes instead of BCP 47 could make confusion.
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