I have asked for the creation process to be continued on Phabricator.
2017-07-22 17:45 GMT+02:00 Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com:
I have reviewed some content on the project. It is fair enough and I think we can proceed with the creation of the project.
Regards Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29 Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians Treasurer, Affiliations Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee Member, Language Committee https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee
On 21 July 2017 at 07:46, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I plan to review the content over the weekend and let us move forward with the task next week.
Regards Satdeep Gill
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On 21-Jul-2017, at 7:03 AM, Michael Everson everson@evertype.com wrote:
This should move forward.
On 20 Jul 2017, at 22:04, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
Indeed we should, this is already taking embarrasingly long. Do any other members plan to review the test-wiki content?
2017-07-20 3:58 GMT+02:00 Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com:
This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because this taked already long time after creation of task.
On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Langcom Members,
As of Hindi points of view the content which alreadyhave are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this type of information. We already made well written content like Principals of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm it with third party.
With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks
On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ?
Thanks,
GerardMOn 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com wrote:
StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5% 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved).
Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously.
However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg mfwarburg@googlemail.com:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
Hoi,
Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used?
Thanks,
GerardMOn 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill satdeepgill@gmail.com wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
Regards
Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
Member, Language Committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com wrote:
[https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer]
See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the
comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being addressed
slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that
there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other
Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash 0freerunning@gmail.com
wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have
cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed mmorshe2@illinois.edu wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text
and
the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to
"Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His
second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only
a
link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer
Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded
elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to
@Jayprakash12345
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/'s
userpage--maybe it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed
inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are
linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even
localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the
lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving
around
those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests
more
generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and
the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp
<justinkoavf@gmail.com
wrote:
Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84
subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are
themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/
wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of
which
are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/
wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4...
which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories
and
erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes
almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B2%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A4%95%E0%A5....
Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates
and
pages like
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer.
The actual amount of content seems like something that one person
could
make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
seems like a misstep.
Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code
or
one
line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for
disaster.
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