I agree with Kimberli on all points. Hijacker proposals and extinct languages not behaving
like Latin should be rejected.
Also, if a language is not capable of creating a wp, it follows that we should block
wikinews as well.
At the outset, one would think a
se.wiktionary.org had a future, since e.g.
fr.wiktionary.org has an astonishing se-fr part. Also, if the idea of a monolingual se
dictionary would gain ground, se.wiktionary would be a good framework for it. But for now:
probably not.
Then to Gerard Meijssens comment " I take it that you mean that they are not
eligible. For me that means that we will not approve at a later date.":
Here I disagree. For Northern Luri, I see no reason why a "no" for a wp project
today would imply a "no" at a later stage. The language has 4 million speakers,
if the world were a place with an equal language policy for all, we would expect it to
have a wp version with 500000 articles. This is of course not the case, but at least we
should not reject the possibility that some of these 4m speakers would knock on wp's
door in the future.
(or perhaps I misread you, and we agree after all). In any case, housekeeping is a useful
activity.
Trond
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Aihe: Langcom Digest, Vol 92, Issue 8
1. Some housekeeping (Kimberli Mäkäräinen)
2. Re: Some housekeeping (Gerard Meijssen)
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From: Kimberli Mäkäräinen <kimberli.makarainen(a)tuni.fi>
Subject: [Langcom] Some housekeeping
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Hei! Sorry for the long mail.
Since the Northern Luri wp was closed, I think it would make sense to reject the remaining
Northern Luri proposal on meta:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikinews_Norther…. Also
the "Sumerian" incubator (Wp/sux) is back and should be nuked again and this
request
rejected<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wiki…an>.
This Wiktionary has no
proposal<https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wt/yux>ux>, but it was created
by a notorious "Wiki hijacker" (to use a term from last week's Arctic Knot
conference) who did not know the languages he was supposedly saving so I say nuke it. The
wp version of this has already been nuked.
Other proposals that would be sensible to reject:
1.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ter_Sa…
2.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Tundra…
This proposal for Norn was rejected since it's extinct and has very few written
sources<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikip…rn>,
which makes me wonder if this is written in actual Norn or some version of Nynorn or some
other language:
https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wp/nrn
I think that the Northern Saami wiktionary project should probably also be nuked and
buried as a lot of it was created by someone with no grasp of the language (cf. "Wiki
hijacker"), but I'll ask around in the community if there is any reason they
think it should be saved.
mvh.
-K