I assume, then, that this project is now approved, so I will get it underway.
Steven
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Finally. We got a Santali expert to review our Santali content.
Ganesh Murmu is an Associate Professor at Department of Tribal and Regional Languages, Ranchi University, Ranchi, Jharkhand, India.
I sent him 3 randomly selected articles and he says that the translation is of very good quality.
Best
Satdeep
From: Ganesh Murmu
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Reviewing Santali Wikipedia content
To: Satdeep Gill
Dear Satdeep Gill, Thank you very much for your mail and for forwarding articles from Santali Wikipedia incubator project work. I have gone through the articles and confirmed that the language written on pages is Santali language in Ol Chiki script, I found translation works is good, I am confident that it is perfectly fine for the community to use Ol Chiki script like the portal site of Vikaspedia in Ol Chiki . The Santals people institutionally recognize and support Ol Chiki script for the writing and teaching of Santali. With regards, Ganesh Murmu Associate Professor in Santali On 6/27/18, Satdeep Gill wrote:
> Hi sir,
> I am a part of the Wikipedia's Language Committee and since you are a Santali expert, we need you to help us in reviewing the following articles from Santali Wikipedia incubator project:
> > > 1. Leonardo da Vinci
> > > 2. Thomas Edison
> > > 3. Abdul Kalam
> > > You just need to confirm that the language written on pages mentioned above is indeed Santali and also if it is perfectly fine for the community to use Ol Chiki script?
> > > Looking forward to hearing from you.
> > > Best
> > > Satdeep Gill
> > > Member,
> > > Language Committee
> > -- Ganesh Murmu Department of Tribal and Regional Languages, Vinoba Bhave University, Hazaribag - 825 301, Jharkhand, India Tel: +919939576547; 8986895429 Fax:+916512224466
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Finally. We got a Santali expert to review our Santali content.
Ganesh Murmu is an Associate Professor at Department of Tribal and Regional Languages, Ranchi University, Ranchi, Jharkhand, India.
I sent him 3 randomly selected articles and he says that the translation is of very good quality.
Best
Satdeep
From: Ganesh Murmu
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Reviewing Santali Wikipedia content
To: Satdeep Gill
Dear Satdeep Gill, Thank you very much for your mail and for forwarding articles from Santali Wikipedia incubator project work. I have gone through the articles and confirmed that the language written on pages is Santali language in Ol Chiki script, I found translation works is good, I am confident that it is perfectly fine for the community to use Ol Chiki script like the portal site of Vikaspedia in Ol Chiki . The Santals people institutionally recognize and support Ol Chiki script for the writing and teaching of Santali. With regards, Ganesh Murmu Associate Professor in Santali On 6/27/18, Satdeep Gill wrote: > Hi sir, > > > I am a part of the Wikipedia's Language Committee and since you are a > Santali expert, we need you to help us in reviewing the following articles > from Santali Wikipedia incubator project: > > > 1. Leonardo da > Vinci > > > 2. Thomas > Edison > > > 3. Abdul > Kalam > > > You just need to confirm that the language written on pages mentioned above > is indeed Santali and also if it is perfectly fine for the community to use > Ol Chiki script? > > > Looking forward to hearing from you. > > > Best > > > Satdeep Gill > > > Member, > > > Language Committee > > -- Ganesh Murmu Department of Tribal and Regional Languages, Vinoba Bhave University, Hazaribag - 825 301, Jharkhand, India Tel: +919939576547; 8986895429 Fax:+916512224466
OK. Those proposals marked "eligible" I will leave alone.
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From: Oliver Stegen <oliver_stegen(a)sil.org>
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Project requests marked "eligible" that never
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As far as I understand, 'eligible' only means that the language in the
proposal has an ISO 639-3 code.
I agree with Gerard that eligibility is not affected by staleness.
Theoretically, a proposal can remain open for as long as someone works
on it sporadically (or if enough content has been created), even if it
doesn't fulfill the other requirements to go live. In that case, such a
proposal would just stay in the incubator.
(I wouldn't be surprised if there are projects that are happy to stay in
the incubator - I myself have one of those, namely lag:wt)
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 20-Jun-18 00:36, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> As always, eligible means that when people put in the effort and it is
> proven to be that language it will be approved. Stale imho only means
> that a past attempt was not succesful so that we do not have to
> continually monitor it. Eligibility is not affected by staleness.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 19 June 2018 at 23:14, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com
> <mailto:Koala19890@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi. Please see this comment
> <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wiki…>
> on Meta.
>
>
> Contributors pointed out three cases in which a request was marked
> "eligible" (usually long ago), but where a test project was never
> started. Question I have for you is: Should I leave them alone, or
> change them to "rejected as stale"?
>
>
> I can go either way on this. If we were evaluating them now, we'd
> close them as stale. But my big concern in trying to process all
> of these requests is to try to clear the backlog of "discussion"
> and "on hold" requests, because those make us appear as if we're
> not doing anything. There are many old requests with the status of
> "eligible" because people work on them only sporadically. In a
> sense, these are no different.
>
>
> I'd appreciate some opinions on this.
>
> Steven
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Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_F….
To me, this proposal has proved very, very similar to the one for closing Norwegian Wikinews last November. (See archives from then.) To me, the solution is the same: Soft close, so that (a) WMF is not embarrassed by the very outdated "news" showing on the front page there, while (b) keeping the project open and available in case someone wants to revive it in the future.
That's my suggestion, and I'm starting a seven-day clock on this now. Please provide comments or suggestions.
Steven
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Hi. Please see this comment<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Some_old_requests_t…'t_have_Incubator_tests_but_also_%E2%80%9Celigible%E2%80%9D> on Meta.
Contributors pointed out three cases in which a request was marked "eligible" (usually long ago), but where a test project was never started. Question I have for you is: Should I leave them alone, or change them to "rejected as stale"?
I can go either way on this. If we were evaluating them now, we'd close them as stale. But my big concern in trying to process all of these requests is to try to clear the backlog of "discussion" and "on hold" requests, because those make us appear as if we're not doing anything. There are many old requests with the status of "eligible" because people work on them only sporadically. In a sense, these are no different.
I'd appreciate some opinions on this.
Steven
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User:OosWesThoesBes, who is a sysop and active contributor on Incubator and Multilingual Wikisource, has been collaborating with User:Gnangarra of the Noongar project. They make the following comment and suggestion:
The main issue here seems to lie in two things: 1. the desire to spread/record knowledge of the local culture; 2. the inability of many tribal people (no offense meant, I'm not from Australia, nor am I a native English speaker, so please do correct my terminology [I'd use "aboriginal"–SJW]) to speak or understand the Nyungar language fluently. A simple solution to this would be the creation of a separate namespace in which English translations are provided, while the pages themselves are written in Nyungar. This will keep the main namespace free of English, while the knowledge to the culture is still available to those interested, who are not able to understand or have difficulty understanding the language itself. This way, the Wikipedia can be used both to spread the knowledge of the Nyungar culture, as well as providing a base for a broad encyclopedia written in the Nyungar language about all subjects.
In response to a question from MF-Warburg, Gnangarra promises that all articles will be completely written in Nyungar as well as in English. And OosWesThoesBes has committed to help with the implementation.
It seems to me that this solution would satisfy LangCom's requirement that the project be written in Nyungar, as well as the community's desire that there also be English available to support wider dissemination of information.
I'd request the Committee's comments/opinions on this idea.
Steven
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At this point, then, we have one member (Michael) who would support eligibility and one (Gerard) who would oppose. Are there any other opinions on this? (Please keep in mind that this project is nowhere near approvability.)
Steven
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Hoi,
The point of eligibility is that when it is eligible it will mean that all
other requirements are fulfilled, a new project will start. This does not
apply in this situation. We do not tell Incubator what to do. We do tell
them that a project has a prospect or not for the creation of a full
project.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 13 June 2018 at 16:34, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> Gerard, your opinion puts me into a difficult situation. The formal
> "Requests for new languages" page does not specifically request a
> Latin-alphabet project. It simply requests a project. The language has
> enough speakers to be eligible by policy. Unless somebody checks out the
> project and tells me that what is written is not Khorasani Turkic at all,
> the project has enough activity to be eligible by policy. And under normal
> circumstances it is not our role to tell a community in Incubator how to
> run its project.
>
>
> For these reasons, I don't really see a policy-based justification for not
> marking this request "eligible". The test is not so active that it will get
> anywhere near approvability any time soon. So I think for now, we have to
> mark it eligible. And if and when it comes up for approval, we can decide
> what to do at that point.
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> I think the difference between this case and the "Romanized Persian"
> situation is that in the "Romanized Persian" case, there is already an
> active, solid project in Persian. Thus, anyone wanting to create this
> project has to work through the Persian Wikipedia community to make this
> happen. In the case of Khorasani Turkic, there is nothing else created in
> this language. And the language is inherently eligible. So I think by
> policy I need to mark it eligible. By the time it comes to approve the
> project, if ever, one of the following will have happened:
>
> * Because the general script of the language is Perso-Arabic, people
> will have come along and changed the content to that script.
> * That doesn't happen, but there is evidence of a community that will
> make use of the project in Latin script.
> * Some combination of the above, where they will have worked out a
> modus vivendi between the two while the test is still in Incubator.
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> For that reason, I'm not too worried about marking it "eligible".
>
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> Hoi,
> It only makes sense to do so when there is a public. It is not a hobby.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 6 June 2018 at 19:37, Michael Everson <siorrai(a)evertype.com> wrote:
>
> > I have no objection to a Roman alphabet version of editors wish to create
> > one.
> >
> > > On 6 Jun 2018, at 16:17, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Khorasani Turkic (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible.
> > But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue nor
> > the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts?
> >
> >
>
>