User:OosWesThoesBes, who is a sysop and active contributor on Incubator and Multilingual Wikisource, has been collaborating with User:Gnangarra of the Noongar project. They make the following comment and suggestion:
The main issue here seems to lie in two things: 1. the desire to spread/record knowledge of the local culture; 2. the inability of many tribal people (no offense meant, I'm not from Australia, nor am I a native English speaker, so please do correct my terminology [I'd use "aboriginal"–SJW]) to speak or understand the Nyungar language fluently. A simple solution to this would be the creation of a separate namespace in which English translations are provided, while the pages themselves are written in Nyungar. This will keep the main namespace free of English, while the knowledge to the culture is still available to those interested, who are not able to understand or have difficulty understanding the language itself. This way, the Wikipedia can be used both to spread the knowledge of the Nyungar culture, as well as providing a base for a broad encyclopedia written in the Nyungar language about all subjects.
In response to a question from MF-Warburg, Gnangarra promises that all articles will be completely written in Nyungar as well as in English. And OosWesThoesBes has committed to help with the implementation.
It seems to me that this solution would satisfy LangCom's requirement that the project be written in Nyungar, as well as the community's desire that there also be English available to support wider dissemination of information.
I'd request the Committee's comments/opinions on this idea.
Steven
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As of today, the proposed approvals of Pashto Wikivoyage, Bengali Wikivoyage and Sakha Wikiquote have been before LangCom for seven days with no objections. I am therefore assuming that the Committee approves these projects.
The seven-day notice period on-wiki at Meta for these three projects expires tomorrow. Once it has, I will mark the projects as approved, and open phabricators for them.
Steven
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Hoi,
Once the presentations are done there is a recording available.. Given that
languages in the projects is one of the subjects, you may consider sending
queries or whatever so that they may be addressed,
Thanks,
GerardM
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Aside from Pashto Wikivoyage and Sakha Wikiquote, there is a third project ready for approval (IMO): Bengali Wikivoyage. Please have a look at that one as well. I'll plan to post a notice on all three projects at Meta tomorrow (my time) if the Committee is amenable.
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"Stale" was an approach developed to find a way to close requests that had been "on hold" for a long time (5+ years!) without any subsequent meaningful activity.
For new requests, if the request is otherwise "eligible", but nobody has created any test content, we'll generally mark request as "on hold" (use "|status=waiting" in the on-wiki templates), and make a comment on the request page saying that the request is on hold until people start creating content on the wiki. Obviously, I've been working through a big backlog of requests for now. But my idea, at least—and Committee has seemed fine with it—is that projects can be "on hold" for up to a year. If after a year, no content has been created, then "on hold" is changed to "stale". If content has been created, "on hold" is changed to eligible.
(There is one minor complicating detail. If a handful of pages is created right at the time of request, and then nothing further happens, we take that as the equivalent of "no community has come to create content", and the request can still become stale. If content continues to be added, even if only by one individual, then the project can still become "eligible".)
Is that all clear enough?
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Hi,
At the Wikimedia Hackathon last week, I spoke to a speaker of Fon, a
language of Benin. He added a request for a new Fon Wikipedia and started
translating the interface.
The language has a code and is living and spoken by several millions of
people (statistics differ, between 2–4 million). Any objections to marking
as eligible?
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I don't see why not. It has more pages than a number of active WQ projects, and its activity is good. (Most of the activity happened after my last major check of Incubator projects, but that's my problem, not theirs.) Just a couple of things should happen first:
* There's one message in the MW core (most used) message group that has become outdated. There are 54 (only 54!) messages in the overall MW core group that are untranslated, and a handful with outdated translations. Perhaps have the community take a look at those.
* If I don't see any Committee objections by this time tomorrow, I'll post a public notice on Meta that we are considering approval. Community has seven days in which to object to approval (solely on policy grounds). If there are no comments—and there normally aren't, at that point—then we can go ahead.
BTW, there is also a freestanding Wikisource in this language.
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Hi,
I've been asked whether the Sakha Wikiquote can be approved.
Incubator:
https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fincubator…
There is already a Wikipedia in this language ( https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsah.wikipe… ),
and the activity looks OK:
https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftools.wmf…
Any objections for approval?
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I'd like to see him create some content, too. But you don't need to ask permission to mark living languages with a reasonable number of speakers as "eligible"; you can just do it.
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Hi,
At the Wikimedia Hackathon last week, I spoke to a speaker of Fon, a
language of Benin. He added a request for a new Fon Wikipedia and started
translating the interface.
The language has a code and is living and spoken by several millions of
people (statistics differ, between 2–4 million). Any objections to marking
as eligible?
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Wiktionary Lushai<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wiktionary_Lushai> (lus): Wikipedia request marked eligible by Gerard back in 2009. Wiktionary test has substantial content. Definitely eligible.
Wiktionary Syriac<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wiktionary_Syriac> (syc): Argument exactly the same as for Wikiquote a week or two ago. Rejecting, while allowing test to remain at Incubator.
Wiktionary Hindustani: The langcode suggested belongs to Carribean Hindustani. But the proposal looks more like it wants to create a merged Hindi-Urdu project. It's a good question, in theory—how different are Hindi and Urdu, after all? But in any event, the request is stale—content was never created, and the proposer has not been on any WMF project in a long while. "Hindustani" does not have its own langcode, and we already have separate, established Hindi and Urdu Wiktionaries. Rejecting outright.
Wiktionary Lugbara<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wiktionary_Lugba…> (lgg): Theoretically eligible. But only one page of content was ever created, and proposer told me he subsequently created a Lugbara dictionary elsewhere. So rejecting as stale.
Wiktionary Malvi<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wiktionary_Malvi> (mup): Proposal created by "drive-by" contributor. No content ever created. Rejecting as stale.
Wiktionary [Russian] Buryat<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wiktionary_Buryat> (bxr): Proposer created about 16 pages on Incubator right around the time of the proposal, but hasn't been present on any project since 2013. Rejecting as stale.
Steven
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