I am all for lowering criteria to 200 messages for all. May we conclude
that we will change the policy that way?
(BTW, I it seems that I don't have write permissions on the list from my @
gmail.com account.)
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:32 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
wrote:
> This is not formalistic nonsense, but fair rules which are the same for
> everyone.
> Am 11.03.2015 18:29 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>:
>
> Hoi.
>> I am increasingly frustrated by this formalistic nonsense. Yes you can
>> object but what do you achieve ? Nothing at all, you are impeding where an
>> organisation indicates that it will do what is needed when the project is
>> live.
>>
>> Frustration means not as much involvement. That is what it does to me.
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 11 March 2015 at 16:18, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On the very same page I see 594 messages in total in that group, 286
>>> thereof still to translate.
>>> Am 11.03.2015 16:08 schrieb "Santhosh Thottingal" <
>>> santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, for the first project in a language, as it is the case here, the
>>>>> 500 most-used messages should be translated.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> translatewiki.net stats page
>>>> <https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:LanguageStats&language=gom-…> says
>>>> 592 most-used messages translated.
>>>>
>>>> Santhosh
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This is not formalistic nonsense, but fair rules which are the same for
everyone.
Am 11.03.2015 18:29 schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>:
> Hoi.
> I am increasingly frustrated by this formalistic nonsense. Yes you can
> object but what do you achieve ? Nothing at all, you are impeding where an
> organisation indicates that it will do what is needed when the project is
> live.
>
> Frustration means not as much involvement. That is what it does to me.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 11 March 2015 at 16:18, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> On the very same page I see 594 messages in total in that group, 286
>> thereof still to translate.
>> Am 11.03.2015 16:08 schrieb "Santhosh Thottingal" <
>> santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 8:32 PM, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, for the first project in a language, as it is the case here, the
>>>> 500 most-used messages should be translated.
>>>>
>>>
>>> translatewiki.net stats page
>>> <https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:LanguageStats&language=gom-…> says
>>> 592 most-used messages translated.
>>>
>>> Santhosh
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Wait a second...
so we want to approve a gom-deva.wikipedia.org with the Devanagari articles
from Incubator?
But, the most-used messages are not yet translated <
https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=core-0-most…>
(51%) currently.
2015-03-11 15:18 GMT+01:00 Santhosh Thottingal <
santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com>:
> Ok, Since we do not have any disagreements, as per our usual process, I
> will inform board about the decision that we approve Konkani wikipedia with
> Devanagari script
>
> Thanks
> Santhosh Thottingal
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> I am a long time proponent for this. So yes PLEASE
>> Thanks,
>> Gerard
>>
>> On 7 March 2015 at 07:49, Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I have no inhibitions or restraints against making the
>>> Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia live.
>>>
>>> As far as I understand, current policy is to discourage communities from
>>> having separate wikipedias for different scripts of the same language.
>>> However, I'd be happy to see Konkani-Latin and Konkani-Kannada on the
>>> incubator. A decision can then ensue whether these projects then become
>>> subpages of the Konkani-Devanagri wikipedia (for example like Suebian,
>>> Allemannic etc on the Southwestern Germanic dialect wikipedia), or whether
>>> WMF makes an exception in allowing separate wiki spaces for those three
>>> scripts. Such a later decision, imho, does not prevent a live wikipedia for
>>> the Devanagri script at this point in time.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07-Mar-15 8:05 AM, Santhosh Thottingal wrote:
>>>
>>> Shall we make a decision on this? Community is waiting and they pinged
>>> me. I am all for approving this.
>>> Is there any more concerns we need to address?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Santhosh
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Santhosh Thottingal <
>>> santhosh.thottingal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vishnu clarified the request details in the below mail I quoted.
>>>>
>>>> (it came as moderation request to me, but I don't see it in approval
>>>> queue. weird )
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Vishnu <vishnu(a)cis-india.org>
>>>> To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>>> Cc:
>>>> Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 01:32:27 +0530
>>>> Subject: Re: [Langcom] [Langcom-l] Konkani
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Santhosh, MF-Warburg and other LangCom members,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, the current request from the Konkani Wikipedia community is to
>>>> make the Konkani Wikipedia live in the *Devanagari script*. It has been
>>>> mentioned in the request page on Meta and I have now highlighted it.[0]
>>>>
>>>> Of course, the community also wants the LangCom to consider incubating
>>>> separate Konkani Wikipedia projects in Romi (i.e. Latin script) and Kannada
>>>> scripts - two other popular variants of Konkani. This will ensure that the
>>>> rich diversity of Konkani language and the knowledge in all these three
>>>> major script variants will flourish along with the associated communities.
>>>>
>>>> If I may be allowed, I would like to bring to the notice of the LangCom
>>>> members that CIS-A2K[1] has been putting focussed efforts on Konkani
>>>> Wikipedia and has managed to nurture and grow a volunteer community that is
>>>> now sustainable.
>>>>
>>>> The multiple scripts (Konkani is written in 5 scripts) has been a great
>>>> challenge to understand and work with, especially when each script variant
>>>> is tied to specific religious and regional community and has significant
>>>> variations. We have left no stone unturned in objectively finding a
>>>> practical solution to this multiple script issue, including a script
>>>> converter. In this process we have consulted Konkani Wikipedians, Konkani
>>>> linguists, professors from Konkani Department at Goa University, Konkani
>>>> cultural experts, bureaucrats in the government, media personnel and
>>>> arrived at the conclusion of having separate Wiki projects for each of the
>>>> three script variants (i.e. Devanagari, Romi (Latin) and Kannada).
>>>>
>>>> We have also requested Fr. Pratap Naik [2] a notable linguist, who has
>>>> worked on all the script variants of Konkani language for many years to
>>>> give his expert opinion in writing, which is available here [3]. This note
>>>> has been widely circulated and everyone, including the currently active
>>>> Konkani Wikipedians (majority of which edits in Devanagari variant) believe
>>>> that having three Konkani Wikipedias for the three script variants is the
>>>> way to go.
>>>>
>>>> *May I reiterate that the current request is to only make the Konkani
>>>> Wikipedia, in Devanagari, live.*
>>>>
>>>> It's been a huge personal learning for me about this rich language and
>>>> culture and I have some intimate context [4] on the multiple scripts issue
>>>> and would be happy to answer questions if the committee has any. I am
>>>> reasonably positive that we will see three active Konkani Wikipedias soon.
>>>> Having the Devanagari one live will only create a healthy competition.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vishnu
>>>> CIS-A2K, Programme Director
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [0]
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Konkan…
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Work_plan_July_20…
>>>>
>>>> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratap_Naik
>>>>
>>>> [3]
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Konkani_Wiki…
>>>>
>>>> [4] http://www.sfxkutamuae.com/news.asp?id=8698 (I have since then
>>>> been invited to be part of the Konkani Language Planning-Steering Committee
>>>> by the Global Konkani Conclave)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Santhosh
>>>>
>>>
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