Dear ALL,
I am Gabriel Lee from Hong Kong, I would like to be a member in the
Langcom. I know zh-n, zh-yue-5, en-5, ja-2 and fr-2. Please contact me with
sending a mail to chihonglee777(a)gmail.com. Thanks a lot!
Regards,
Gabriel Chi Hong Lee
Forwarding to the new list.
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Von: "MF-Warburg" <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
Datum: 26.11.2014 12:44
Betreff: Re: [Langcom-l] name of Tunisian
An: "Wikimedia Foundation Language committee" <langcom-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>
Cc:
If we want the pages to be deleted, the best way is to start a request for
deleting the test-project on [[incubator:I:RFD]].
Am 26.11.2014 11:52 schrieb "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir.aharoni(a)mail.huji.ac.il
>:
> OK. I'll start a separate thread about it, because it may have wide
> implications and it deserves attention.
>
> For now I committed a patch to at least update the Arabic script language
> name to something sensible, as was suggested in this thread:
> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/175972/
>
>
> --
> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
> “We're living in pieces,
> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>
> 2014-11-26 6:36 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net>:
>
>> It's a really difficult call, and I'd appreciate if other LangCom
>> members could pitch in. While NPOV normally applies to the content of
>> individual articles, I consider it applicable to the entire stance of this
>> group, and I would feel really uncomfortable having them affiliated with
>> Wikimedia. But that is just my opinion ...
>>
>> --
>> Oliver Stegen, PhD
>> Linguistics Consultant
>> *http://sil.academia.edu/OliverStegen
>> <http://sil.academia.edu/OliverStegen>*
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25-Nov-14 10:27 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>>
>> OK, I don't mind. However, this pretty much invalidates the content of
>> the current incubator. I am not sure what to do about that. Suggest them to
>> export it to some non-Wikimedia wiki?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>> “We're living in pieces,
>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>>
>> 2014-11-25 21:12 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net>:
>>
>>> Sorry to disagree but based on what my contact scholar for Tunisian
>>> Arabic writes, I cannot approve this with a good conscience (see relevant
>>> section of his message copied below).
>>> Fwiw,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> "[...] it looks, despite the claims made on the website ("this project
>>> is not against any language"), to be an almost anti-Arabic project, out of
>>> tune with the wider population in choice of script, and even then showing
>>> both inconsistencies in writing, and writing allophones according to how
>>> the sound would be written in French. Even the style of Latin script is not
>>> how Tunisians write when doing so in Latin script - there seems to be a nod
>>> to Maltese, and I, even with an awareness of how Maltese works, had
>>> difficulty in reading it in places. Also they seem to prefer technical
>>> terms from French than (even commonly used) ones from Standard Arabic.
>>> Chances of any of this being adopted... low. But thanks for the link!"
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24-Nov-14 11:24 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>>>
>>> Reviving this, as I got a bit of new information.
>>>
>>> See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T70207 .
>>>
>>> (In case you didn't know, Wikimedia moved from Bugzilla to a new task
>>> tracking tool called Phabricator, or Phab for short.)
>>>
>>> See the last comment there. The guy introduces himself as "a group of
>>> activists with some knowledge of Linguistics", and the website about their
>>> work about the writing system is
>>> https://sites.google.com/site/stundardtunsi/
>>>
>>> I am kinda inclined to approve that their work would be in the Latin
>>> script. Despite using the free Google Sites platform, they appear to be
>>> serious, and I cannot see anybody else picking this up. On the other hand,
>>> I really don't want to make the final call. It probably won't be useful, at
>>> least initially, to schoolchildren there.
>>>
>>> So there - you have the facts. Any ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
>>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>>> “We're living in pieces,
>>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>>>
>>> 2014-08-07 10:55 GMT+03:00 Oliver Stegen <info(a)oliverstegen.net>:
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the delay in replying.
>>>>
>>>> My colleague agrees that Tounsi / تونسي is the correct autonym of the
>>>> Tunisian Arabic language (ISO: aeb). He considers the current name زَوُن to
>>>> be "a made-up bit of fun". However, he does not believe that Latin script
>>>> is more widespread or common but considers Arabic script to be the default
>>>> of Tunisian Arabic (aeb):
>>>>
>>>> "I think Arabic would be better, but it depends on the community (in
>>>> country most writing now is in Arabic script, as it's easier than it was -
>>>> a few years ago Latin script dominated in chatting, but only Arabic script
>>>> in public uses in country)"
>>>>
>>>> Just quoting - hope it helps.
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>> On 29-Jul-14 7:26 PM, Oliver Stegen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, just saw this now. (I was offline for two weeks until Sunday.)
>>>> I've asked a colleague of mine who is a linguist scholar of Tunisian
>>>> Arabic - will keep you posted once I received his reply.
>>>> Oliver
>>>>
>>>> On 19-Jul-14 9:50 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't quite sure about what to do with this bug:
>>>> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68207
>>>>
>>>> The request is to correct the autonym of the Tunisian Arabic language
>>>> (ISO: aeb) in our software, and to set French as its fallback.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have much to add to what the bug report already says. I am
>>>> not really opposed to the request, because the current name is probably
>>>> wrong (I have not idea where did it come from), but I also don't really
>>>> know whether the requested change is right. It kinda puts me in the
>>>> position of giving a "seal of approval" to something that may some day
>>>> become a standard and it's definitely not a decision that I want to make
>>>> completely on my own.
>>>>
>>>> Any other opinions?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי
>>>> http://aharoni.wordpress.com
>>>> “We're living in pieces,
>>>> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore
>>>>
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Hi Jan-Bart,
I would like to bring the following proposals to the attention of the
Board, about which we (LangCom) recommend to accept the proposals and close
the wikis.
As usual, we will proceed in one week, if we don't hear anything to the
contrary from the Board.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_O…
Rationale:
Wikibooks is for textbooks and manuals, but nobody is writing them in this
extinct language nor is there much reason why someone would want to /read/
them.
Wikisource is the appropriate project for texts in this language. In fact,
some pages on the wiki do belong to Wikisource, and should be moved there.
This is also consistent with Langcom's previous decisions that ancient
languages should above all have Wikisource, but the other projects are not
all suitable for them. English Wikisource also hosts Old English texts, so
there is not even a need for a separate ang-wikisource.
Content should be moved to Incubator, or, where appropriate, to Wikisoure.
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_I…
The wiki is a case of "absence of content since its creation" (per the
Closure policy). Of the few page, some should even be moved to Wiktionary
(as some people noted in the discussion).
Content should be moved content Incubator, or, where appropriate, to
Wiktionary.
Best regards,
MF-Warburg
Hi all,
we have several closure proposals which should be decided... Here are the
first two:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_O…
Reasons are outlined on the page; the majority of users agrees.
To summarize:
- Wikibooks is for textbooks and manuals, but nobody is writing them in
this extinct language nor is there much reason why someone would want to
/read/ them.
Wikisource is the project that should exist for this language.
In fact, some pages on the wiki do belong to Wikisource, and should be
moved there. This is also consistent with Langcom's previous decisions that
ancient languages should above all have Wikisource, but the other projects
are not all suitable for them.
=> I propose: Close, move content to Incubator, or, where appropriate, to
Wikisoure.
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https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_I…
The wiki is a case of "absence of content since its creation". Of the few
page, some should even be moved to Wiktionary (as some people noted in the
discussion).
=> I propose: Close, move content to Incubator, or, where appropriate, to
Wiktionary.