Langcom July 2013

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Approval of Vietnamese Wikivoyage
by MF-Warburg 20 Jul '13

20 Jul '13

Hi Kat, the Language Committee proposes to approve Wikivoyage in Vietnamese. (Req.: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikivoyage_Vietn… ) As usual, we will proceed in 4 days, if we don't hear anything to the contrary from the Board. Best regards, MF-Warburg

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Need input about Kven and Sami languages
by Jon Harald Søby 14 Jul '13

14 Jul '13

Hi, all! I am the president of Wikimedia Norge now, and we have a project idea to create Wikipedias in Kven [fkv] (5000 speakers in Norway), Southern Sami [sma] (600 speakers in Norway and Sweden) and Lule Sami [smj] (2000 speakers in Norway and Sweden). I am not suggesting to bypass the Incubator or translation requirements or anything, but I need your input before we start: Do you think these languages are viable/"big" enough to warrant their own Wikipedias? -- mvh Jon Harald Søby <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by>

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Vietnamese Wikivoyage
by MF-Warburg 13 Jul '13

13 Jul '13

Hi all, I propose Vietnamese Wikivoyage for approval: Very good activity [1], and the interface is also completely translated [2] (only 1 untranslated message!). They also maintain a statistics page about how many articles they expanded since I notified them about the last Langcom discussion (from May), when I proposed to look at it later again, because most articles were headline-only stubs then: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wy/vi/Wikivoyage:Th%E1%BA%A3o_lu%E1%BA… Best regards, MF-Warburg [1] http://toolserver.org/~pathoschild/catanalysis/?cat=0&title=Wy/vi/&wiki=inc… [2] http://toolserver.org/~robin/?tool=codelookup&code=vi

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2 proposals for project closure
by MF-Warburg 13 Jul '13

13 Jul '13

Hi Kat, as a Langcom member in charge of project closures, I'd like to bring forward two closure proposal's to the Board's attention, on which we recommend to close these wikis: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_A… Rationale: Only 5 pages in the mainspace, thereof maybe 3 "real" ones. This clearly fulfilles the criterion of "Absence of content since the wiki's creation", in my opinion. Additionally the request has been open since November 2012. Most commentators support a closure, with the notable exception of one Amharic user who misunderstood the proposal as "removing the possibility of Amharic Wikiquote" and argued that the project would need more time. He has however also not become active.Therefore, we propose to close (and move the content to Incubator). https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_U… This is a clear case of absence of content (< https://uz.wikibooks.org/wiki/Maxsus:AllPages>, many pages only contain one link or image or so) and total inactivity. Therefore, we also propose to close (and move the content to Incubator). Best regards, MF-Warburg

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Min Dong script(s)
by MF-Warburg 07 Jul '13

07 Jul '13

Any comments about https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Request_for_enablin… (or http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/Request_for_enabling_new_varia…). To me there seem to be no problems with allowing localisation in both Latin and Chinese scripts (similar with Hakka which we had recently).

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Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia Taiwanese Hokkien
by MF-Warburg 06 Jul '13

06 Jul '13

No opinions? (Or did I sent to the wrong list? ;) ) 2013/5/8 MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> > There's a request for Wikipedia in Taiwanese, which is a dialect on Min > Nan. It doesn't seem to have an ISO code, so probably needs to be rejected. > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Taiwan… > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_Hokkien_language >

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4 closure proposals
by MF-Warburg 04 Jul '13

04 Jul '13

Hi all, we have 4 closure proposals for which I would like to propose decisions: # 1 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_A… The proposer says: *"This wiki only has 5 pages<https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/am:Special:Allpages>in the mainspace: * 1. *A redirect* 2. *The Main Page* 3. *A page with just a link in it (supposed to be a redirect or list?)* 4. *A quote from Martin Luther King Jr.* 5. *A list (I don't know what this means, but I'll assume it's content)"* This clearly fulfilles the criterion of "Absence of content since the wiki's creation", in my opinion. Additionally the request has been open since November 2012. Most commentator support a closure, with the notable exception of one Amharic user who misunderstood the proposal as "removing the possibility of Amharic Wikiquote" and argued that the project would need more time. He has however also not become active. Therefore, I propose MOVE TO INCUBATOR. # 2 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_U… This is a clear case of absence of content (< https://uz.wikibooks.org/wiki/Maxsus:AllPages>, many pages only contain one link or image or so) and total inactivity. Therefore, MOVE TO INCUBATOR. # 3 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_N… This was proposed in the wake of a very long discussion about the usefulness of Wikinews here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Proposals_for_closing_projects/Archive… Some people searched for an inactive Wikinews to propose it for closure, with the argumentation that Wikinews needs to have a certain activity standard to be useful (*Even if "no activity is cited not as a reason to close a project - a dead wikinews project happens to be a different reason. As stated by many users for many times, wikinews has a unique problem among wikimedia-projects. The content in the wiki gets less valuable the more time has passed. Wikinews does not produce the kind of quality which passes the test of time). *In response, some supporters of Wikinews started translating some articles from the English Wikinews to Norwegian. Jon Harald said they were bad machine translations - maybe you can clarify? I do however not know to what extent these translations still go on today. It seems like the last recent activity was on June 10 (< https://no.wikinews.org/w/index.php?title=Spesial:Siste_endringer&days=30&f…>). While this is not exactly brilliant, the project certainly has no absence of content, and from past experience of moving the even larger inactive Wikinewses in Dutch and Hungarian back to Incubator, I have seen that 1) the import process will be long and annoying 2) activity restart is of course much more likely, and better visible on the own subdomain. Therefore, I propose to KEEP. # 4 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_X… Closure was proposed for inactivity; apart for the fact that the proposer unfortunately did not reply to any further inquiries (such as whether he thought content should be moved to Incubator, etc. - he seems to have thought of a deletion initally?), we all know that "inactivity alone is no valid reason for closure". The project can also not be called of having absence of content. What is more, there is some recent activity https://xh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges (maybe also sparked by the closure proposal). So, I propose to KEEP. Best regards, MF-Warburg

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