Jirka, you may want to consider having your students review each other’s work. This might take some of the load off of you and enhance the students’ learning experience. Or you can make even more work for yourself by also grading them on their peer reviews. :-)
See, for example, what Amin Azzam is doing with medical students at UCSF at the following links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/UCSF
http://www.ucsf.edu/news/2013/09/109201/ucsf-first-us-medical-school-offer-c...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Wiki_medicine_presentati...
John Kleefeld Assistant Professor, College of Law University of Saskatchewan 15 Campus Drive Saskatoon SK Canada S7N 5A6
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Hello,
I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at Masaryk University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around students completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining points towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia article one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this is going to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more advanced students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6 to 12 students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach more of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them to refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel for what they need to create.
Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration.
I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which this initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší Wikipedii" at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic. Is it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target WIkipedia in English, not the Czech one? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/education/attachments/20150521/b2888552/attachment-0001.html
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Message: 2 Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 09:10:29 -0700 From: Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com To: Other Education List education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] confirm 69ccb875820d9c89580605f70c3db83e8a426db7 Message-ID: COL126-W27D3447D749A954388E7C5CDC10@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2"
Ive worked for some time here in Mexico with Wikipedia, doing everything from writing articles in English, to translation, to photography and subtitling projects in Commons.
I very much do recommend you contact the Czech education people, who are a great bunch and can give you invaluable hands-on support.
In my experience, I have found having students write new text in their non-native language to be extremely challenging, and you have to be sure that students are up for it. Translation gives the basic structure (a +) but it also has problems with L1 interference in L2. (and vice versa but particularly problematic for L1--> L2)
If you are not sure if students are up for this (or you have the time), I have a couple of suggestions for experimenting...
1) Have students review articles in English on Czech topics for inaccuracies and/or out-of-date information and/or missing details or citations. The Visual Editor tool has made article improvement a bit easier, especially the addition of references.
2) Wikimedia Commons (commons.wikimedia.org) has videos in English that need subtitles. One teacher at my school Karen Mazanec, had students create English subtitles for English video as intensive listening practice. https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Newsletter/April_2015/New_to_W...
Interesting to to get your mail today as I had a meeting where they are talking more about modualizing (not a word, I know) courses. If you could send me a link about your course at Masaryk, I would appreciate it greatly.
Leigh
From: dnk@mail.muni.cz Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 17:40:12 +0200 To: education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] confirm 69ccb875820d9c89580605f70c3db83e8a426db7
Hello, I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at Masaryk University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around students completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining points towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia article one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this is going to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more advanced students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6 to 12 students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach more of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them to refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel for what they need to create. Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration. I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which this initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší Wikipedii" at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic. Is it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target WIkipedia in English, not the Czech one?
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Hi,
If you are planning to introduce wiki editing to your students by translating articles, I suggest you to try out the content translation tool. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation.
It provides an easy interface for translations. The users need not bother about the wiki text formatting, rather can concentrate on the content and the language.
Regards
Kavya Manohar
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Hello,
I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at Masaryk University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around students completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining points towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia article one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this is going to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more advanced students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6 to 12 students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach more of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them to refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel for what they need to create.
Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration.
I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which this initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší Wikipedii" at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic. Is it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target WIkipedia in English, not the Czech one?
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 19:33:42 +0300 From: "Amir E. Aharoni" amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il To: Wikimedia Education education@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] confirm 69ccb875820d9c89580605f70c3db83e8a426db7 Message-ID: CACtNa8unOXEETs8x_fJL2gOcNjs29C5kTdzV0adPLbPAuMf=5g@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Indeed :)
When do you plan to do it? I'd ve happy to give you tech support with this.
(Disclaimer: I'm in the team that develops ContentTranslation.) בתאריך 21 במאי 2015 19:27, "Kavya Manohar" sakhi.kavya@gmail.com כתב:
Hi,
If you are planning to introduce wiki editing to your students by translating articles, I suggest you to try out the content translation tool. See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation.
It provides an easy interface for translations. The users need not bother about the wiki text formatting, rather can concentrate on the content and the language.
Regards
Kavya Manohar
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Hello,
I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at Masaryk University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around students completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining points towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia article one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this is going to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more advanced students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6 to 12 students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach more of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them to refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel for what they need to create.
Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration.
I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which this initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší Wikipedii" at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic. Is it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target WIkipedia in English, not the Czech one?
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2015-05-22 10:27 GMT+03:00 Jirka Daněk dnk@mail.muni.cz:
Thank you all for your helpful suggestions.
I realized that translating from English instead of the other way around is certainly a better way to approach this.
Using ContentTranslation seems the best option, even though it currently does not contain support for auto translating the en/cs language pair. It is important to me to be able to see somebody else's unfinished translation and as far as I know, ContentTranslation does not support that yet. Is this feature planned?
Theoretically yes, but we don't have a target date. FWIW, an article can be reviewed after initial publishing, but you probably knew that already.
I know the tool. I was one of the people who campaigned for having it enabled on cs.Wikipedia ;)
Thanks!
On that occasion I made a comparison table for all available translation tools for WIkipedia I know of (Duolingo, Google Translate Toolkit, ContentTranslation) and CT is a clear winner. Duolingo has problematic ToS and drops formatting and references, Google Translate for WIkipedia is not being actively worked on and drops some formatting and references. I guess as the developers you know all about that ;)
Even bigger thanks!
-- Amir
"Amir E. Aharoni" amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote on Sun, 24 May 2015 17:09:26 +0300:
2015-05-22 10:27 GMT+03:00 Jirka Daněk dnk@mail.muni.cz:
Using ContentTranslation seems the best option, even though it currently does not contain support for auto translating the en/cs language pair. It is important to me to be able to see somebody else's unfinished translation and as far as I know, ContentTranslation does not support that yet. Is this feature planned?
Theoretically yes, but we don't have a target date.
So what you are planning is a read-only view for somebody else's translation in progress or some sort of either real time or "transactional" collaboration? Or do you plan to work on it in stages, first read-only and then collaboration?
FWIW, an article can be reviewed after initial publishing, but you probably knew that already.
Edits I make in the published version are not (yet?) reflected in the two column translation view and next time the translator publishes it overwrites those edits, right? -- Jiří Daněk (374368)
2015-05-25 10:51 GMT+03:00 Jiří Daněk dnk@mail.muni.cz:
"Amir E. Aharoni" amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote on Sun, 24 May 2015 17:09:26 +0300:
2015-05-22 10:27 GMT+03:00 Jirka Daněk dnk@mail.muni.cz:
Using ContentTranslation seems the best option, even though it
currently
does not contain support for auto translating the en/cs language pair. It is important to me to be able to see somebody else's unfinished translation and as far as I know, ContentTranslation does not support
that
yet. Is this feature planned?
Theoretically yes, but we don't have a target date.
So what you are planning is a read-only view for somebody else's
translation
in progress or some sort of either real time or "transactional"
collaboration?
Or do you plan to work on it in stages, first read-only and then
collaboration?
I don't know. Possibly in stages, as you suggest, but we don't have a plan now.
FWIW, an article can be reviewed after initial publishing, but you probably knew that already.
Edits I make in the published version are not (yet?) reflected in the two column translation view and next time the translator publishes it
overwrites
those edits, right?
Yes. We hope to have something smarter in the future, but again, there's no solid plan. We focused on translated article creation first. Translation review and updating will hopefully be available in the future.
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore