Good evening, Professor Christie. My name is Lixxx235, and I'm a Wikipedia
editor and an Online Ambassador with the Wikipedia Education Program. (
userpage <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lixxx235>)
It's come to my attention (through a student's request for help via
Wikipedia's live chat) that you have given your students assignments
relating to editing Wikipedia. While the Wikipedia Education Program fully
supports such assignments, and endorses a number of courses at various
universities around the world, according to one of your students, an
assignment you've given seems to have students confused and is causing
submissions in violation of some Wikipedia policies and wasting volunteer
and student time. For example, this
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Fuel_controlled_fires_…>
is an entry one of your students tried to get help on from our live help
chat. This submission does not meet Wikipedia guidelines such as notability
policies, policies requiring verifiability of material, and policies
requiring a neutral point of view (NPOV) to be kept. In addition, it was
not in Wikipedia's standard format.
We'd love to get in touch with you. Please reply back to
lixxx235wikipedia(a)gmail.com and education(a)lists.wikimedia.org to see how we
can help you develop good assignments for editing Wikipedia and how we can
resolve some issues with your current assignment.
All the best,
Lixxx235
English Wikipedia
Hello,
I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at Masaryk
University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around students
completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining points
towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia article
one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this is going
to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more advanced
students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6 to 12
students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach more
of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor
experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them
translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them to
refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel for
what they need to create.
Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration.
I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which
this initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší
Wikipedii" at
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic. Is
it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target WIkipedia in
English, not the Czech one?
Hi everybody,
We’re preparing for the May 2015 research newsletter and looking for contributors. Please take a look at: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/WRN201505 and add your name next to any paper you are interested in covering. As usual, short notes and one-paragraph reviews are most welcome.
Highlights from this month:
Wikipedia Use in Research: Perceptions in Secondary Schools
How to motivate formal students and informal learners to participate in Open Content Educational Resources (OCER)
Wikipedia – challenges and new horizons in enhancing medical education
Using Wikipedia to enhance student learning: A case study in economics
The Internet School of Medicine: Use of Electronic Resources by Medical Trainees and the Reliability of those Resources
Accuracy and Completeness of Drug Information in Wikipedia: A Comparison with Standard Textbooks of Pharmacology
Academic Ethics Conflict in the Age of Wikipedia and "Turnitin.com": A Study Assessing the Opinions of Exiting College Students
If you have any question about the format or process feel free to get in touch off-list.
Masssly, Tilman Bayer and Dario Taraborelli
[1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Newsletter
Jirka, you may want to consider having your students review each other’s work. This might take some of the load off of you and enhance the students’ learning experience. Or you can make even more work for yourself by also grading them on their peer reviews. :-)
See, for example, what Amin Azzam is doing with medical students at UCSF at the following links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/UCSFhttp://www.ucsf.edu/news/2013/09/109201/ucsf-first-us-medical-school-offer-…https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Wiki_medicine_presentat…
John Kleefeld
Assistant Professor, College of Law
University of Saskatchewan
15 Campus Drive
Saskatoon SK Canada S7N 5A6
tel: (+1) 306.966.1039
email: john.kleefeld(a)usask.ca<mailto:john.kleefeld@usask.ca>
skype: johnkleefeld
web: http://law.usask.ca/find-people/faculty/kleefeld-john.php
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Hello,
I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at Masaryk
University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around students
completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining points
towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia article
one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this is going
to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more advanced
students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6 to 12
students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach more
of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor
experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them
translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them to
refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel for
what they need to create.
Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration.
I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which
this initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší
Wikipedii" at
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic. Is
it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target WIkipedia in
English, not the Czech one?
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From: Leigh Thelmadatter <osamadre(a)hotmail.com>
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Ive worked for some time here in Mexico with Wikipedia, doing everything from writing articles in English, to translation, to photography and subtitling projects in Commons.
I very much do recommend you contact the Czech education people, who are a great bunch and can give you invaluable hands-on support.
In my experience, I have found having students write new text in their non-native language to be extremely challenging, and you have to be sure that students are up for it. Translation gives the basic structure (a +) but it also has problems with L1 interference in L2. (and vice versa but particularly problematic for L1--> L2)
If you are not sure if students are up for this (or you have the time), I have a couple of suggestions for experimenting...
1) Have students review articles in English on Czech topics for inaccuracies and/or out-of-date information and/or missing details or citations. The Visual Editor tool has made article improvement a bit easier, especially the addition of references.
2) Wikimedia Commons (commons.wikimedia.org) has videos in English that need subtitles. One teacher at my school Karen Mazanec, had students create English subtitles for English video as intensive listening practice. https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Newsletter/April_2015/New_to_…
Interesting to to get your mail today as I had a meeting where they are talking more about modualizing (not a word, I know) courses. If you could send me a link about your course at Masaryk, I would appreciate it greatly.
Leigh
From: dnk(a)mail.muni.cz
Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 17:40:12 +0200
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] confirm 69ccb875820d9c89580605f70c3db83e8a426db7
Hello,
I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at Masaryk University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around students completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining points towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia article one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this is going to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more advanced students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6 to 12 students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach more of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them to refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel for what they need to create.
Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration.
I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which this initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší Wikipedii" at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic. Is it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target WIkipedia in English, not the Czech one?
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Hi,
If you are planning to introduce wiki editing to your students by
translating articles, I suggest you to try out the content translation
tool.
See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation.
It provides an easy interface for translations. The users need not bother
about the wiki text formatting, rather can concentrate on the content and
the language.
Regards
Kavya Manohar
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From: dnk(a)mail.muni.cz
Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 17:40:12 +0200
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] confirm
69ccb875820d9c89580605f70c3db83e8a426db7
Hello,
I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at
Masaryk University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around
students completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining
points towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia
article one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this
is going to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more
advanced students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6
to 12 students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach
more of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor
experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them
translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them to
refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel for
what they need to create.
Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD
as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration.
I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which
this initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší
Wikipedii" at
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic.
Is it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target WIkipedia
in English, not the Czech one?
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Indeed :)
When do you plan to do it? I'd ve happy to give you tech support with this.
(Disclaimer: I'm in the team that develops ContentTranslation.)
בתאריך 21 במאי 2015 19:27, "Kavya Manohar" <sakhi.kavya(a)gmail.com> כתב:
Hi,
If you are planning to introduce wiki editing to your students by
translating articles, I suggest you to try out the content translation
tool.
See https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation.
It provides an easy interface for translations. The users need not bother
about the wiki text formatting, rather can concentrate on the content and
the language.
Regards
Kavya Manohar
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From: dnk(a)mail.muni.cz
Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 17:40:12 +0200
To: education(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] confirm
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Hello,
I am a teaching assistant in ONLINE_A, e-learning English course at
Masaryk University, Czech Republic. This course is structured around
students completing various English practice tasks and in that way gaining
points towards credit. I came up with the idea to make writing a Wikipedia
article one of those tasks. The course is relatively large, but since this
is going to be one of the more difficult tasks available and only the more
advanced students can actually do it, I assume there would be only about 6
to 12 students every semester doing this task. I would not be able to coach
more of them anyways. The students are unlikely to have previous editor
experience on WIkipedia. To accommodate for that, I plan to have them
translate an article from Czech to English Wikipedia and instruct them to
refer to an existing similar article on English Wikipedia to get a feel for
what they need to create.
Example: Translate https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD
as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michal_Tu%C4%8Dn%C3%BD referring to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Rogers as a source of inspiration.
I am looking for an existing Wikimedia Education initiative under which
this initiative of my could be put into practice. I found "Studenti píší
Wikipedii" at
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Czech_Republic.
Is it the correct bunch of people to turn to, given that I target WIkipedia
in English, not the Czech one?
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>
> I'd also direct you to this page on Outreach wiki, where the Global
> Education Program lives. It links to the various online trainings available
> to help onboard you and your students.
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Trainings
Thanks. The trainings page will be very useful, both for the teachers and
the students of the course.
On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Kleefeld, John <john.kleefeld(a)usask.ca>
wrote:
> Jirka, you may want to consider having your students review each other’s
> work. This might take some of the load off of you and enhance the students’
> learning experience. Or you can make even more work for yourself by also
> grading them on their peer reviews. :-)
>
I'll keep this in mind.
On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is there a specific reason why your students are supposed to translate
> from the native language to English, and not the other way round?
>
It was just the first idea that occurred to me and I did not have a
specific reason in mind. If I have to come up with one post hoc, I'd say
that students in the course do not share a common native tongue. They
mostly speak Czech or Slovak, but there is a sizable minority of Erasmus
students and such like. Having them translate into their native tongue
means I may need to work with multiple Wikipedia language mutations, not
just one. And with languages I do not understand myself.
Writing for English Wikipedia is very difficult even to English
> speaking students. If the text quality of the contributions is (too)
> low,
Leigh Thelmadatter already persuaded me it was a bad idea.
> A text must be curated afterwards. At least for
> a couple of days, the students should be online and accept feedback in
> order to improve the texts. This time must be planned in your
> schedule.
A very good point. I see (now) I must tell this to the students. Otherwise
I might end up polishing their work for them, or deleting it altogether.
> I hope this does not sound too pessimistic. :-) Also, I would advise
> to consider to let students something else do that "writing an
> article". I think that that is something a beginner should not start
> with.
>
Any suggestions, anyone? I need to come up with an activity that produces
some "deliverable artifact". (If it comes to it, the deliverable might be
just a short writeup about what they were working on...) Then again, I am
not sure language learners can do a lot to improve English Wikipedia, for
reasons you said yourself. And I probably cannot assign them some menial
clerical tasks...
> If someone is interested, I could report about experiences with regard
> to German students translating from English.
>
I would like to know how much support the students need, both in learning
their way around WIkipedia and then during the translation itself. What I
am dealing with is an e-learning course without any face-to-face class time
whatsoever. My current idea is to have students go through
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Training/For_students (and giving
them a quiz for points after each module, to keep them motivated) and
explain any questions they have afterwards in an online discussion. From
your experience, would it be enough?
Hi all,
* We piloted VisualEditor training at the most recent edit-a-thon that we
held at UW. The feedback from the librarians was positive. I'll work on
turning the training into a video format soon, possibly during my travel to
the Wikimedia Conference. I am considering producing a PDF version first
because that is easier to do, and a video version second.
* The UW librarians are interested in continuing to partner with us. More
info about that during the next few weeks.
* We received feedback from WMF about the current version of our proposed
annual plan on Meta. At this point, WMF is willing to fund portions but not
all of our plan. Our Board is in the process of scheduling a meeting to
discuss our next steps.
* You may remember that Monika mentioned on this list (
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-cascadia/2015-March/000492.…)
her grant proposal for an Inspire campaign project "Full Circle Gap
Protocol: Addressing the ‘Unknown Unknowns". WMF has awarded funding for
this project. Congratulations, Monika. (:
* We will have our regular social meetup at Cafe Allegro on May 26th this
month, later than usual. At this meetup, I plan to share what I learned at
the Wikimedia Conference and any potential new partnerships or initiatives.
We can also discuss our plans for the remainder of this year, including
potential future events at the UW libraries. I hope to see many of you on
the 26th. (:
Pine
Very nice, thanks. Forwarding to the Education mailing list.
Pine
On May 5, 2015 1:07 PM, "Andrew Sherman" <asherman(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> We just published "Editing Wikipedia as community service in Mexico" to
> the blog. URL:
>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/05/05/community-service-in-mexico/
>
> Thanks to Maria for writing the draft and providing a Spanish translation.
> Thanks to Walter for helping translate the English title.
>
> Below are some proposed social media messages. Please tweak as needed.
>
> *Twitter (@wikimedia/@wikipedia):*
>
> • Editing Wikipedia as community service in Mexico: a student shares her
> experience. (link)
>
> (see if there are any hashtags for either #WikiLearning or #TecdeMonterrey)
>
> *Facebook/Google+*
>
> • A Mexican student shares her experience editing Wikipedia as community
> service at Tec de Monterrey University. It was an opportunity for personal
> and professional growth, as well as a way to positively impact her
> community. (link)
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Andrew Sherman
> Digital Communications | Wikimedia Foundation
>
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