Well, if we have articles for towns with just 2 inhabitants just because RamBot made them, and as long as we're allowing articles for Swedish towns with over 25K inhabitants, I don't see the issue with allowing articles for all high schools with more than 25K Current students+Living Alumni. If not that, you could set a higher boundary, like 50K. (I didn't count dead alumni because they're dead and frankly, dead people don't count. absentees can vote, as can expats, at least in many countries, but dead people can't vote anywhere)
Really, just because they're voting to delete it at AfD doesn't mean it deserves to be deleted. The article deletion mechanism on Wikipedia is badly broken -- this is no better than [[Wikipedia:Quickpolls]] (I wonder who around here remembers those? fun, fun, fun) except for the deletion of pages. It's mob rule of things that shouldn't be ruled by a mob (just because the 50 people on AfD haven't heard of it and can't find it in their google searches does not mean it doesn't belong in an encyclopaedia.)
Speaking of deletion... Despite what the Wikipedia article about the Pokémon argument says about the articles having been "improved", most of the Pokémon articles still have much less information than they should to be allowed to be kept, imho, considering there are over 400 of the critters (back when I cared about them, there were 151, and for a few months before I lost interest, 251), and many of them have either 1) never been mentioned on the anime and are unimportant to the plots of any of the games or 2) have only been mentioned in one episode on the anime and are totally unimportant in the plots of the games. I'm not sure why we can't combine them all into 4 or so Pokédex-type articles, with ''Main article: [[THIS POKEMON]]'' for the ones that really _are_ notable and have information about them.
Mark
On 25/01/07, David Goodman dgoodmanny@gmail.com wrote:
On 1/25/07, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
The thing about high schools is that they have alumni. A particularly large high school could have, I don't know, maybe 50,000 alumni? How off am I?
Anyhow, just because not that many people go to it *right now* does not mean it's not notable. Junior high schools, elementary schools, sure, but larger-volume schools that have upwards of 1000 students at any given time are certainly notable.
We may not have someone to maintain them, but that's because while we have RamBot, we don't have SchoolBot. Maybe we should. (and unlike city/town articles, we'd also need a SchoolAntiVandalBot to monitor all the changes to those articles... the problem with high schools is that those most interested in them tend to be their current students, and their current students tend to include a large percentage of dipshit vandals).
Mark
On 25/01/07, Lars Aronsson lars@aronsson.se wrote:
David Monniaux wrote:
But there's no reason we should have an article on my neighbouring highschool, unless we also want articles on every company or organization...
However, this "unless" is problematic. A printed encyclopedia in 20 volumes can only contain so many articles, and has to cut off the long tail. Wikipedia is far bigger and steadily growing. Small towns with 25,000 inhabitants in Sweden would never have an article in Encyclopaedia Britannica, but now have articles in the English Wikipedia, and everybody seem to agree that they *are* sufficiently notable. So where is the limit drawn? Should the three schools in that town also have articles? Maybe the answer is: Not now, when Wikipedia only has 1.6 million articles, because these schools are not among the 1.6 million most notable objects in this world. But in five years time, when Wikipedia has 20 million articles, this might be different.
Maybe if the article is added now, and in five years time it is still one of the least used ones, ranking not 1.6M but 20M, then we know that now was not the right time to add this article? In that case, notability is not a property of the topic itself, but an issue in which order to add articles to Wikipedia. But it is difficult to assess today if a topic has rank 20M when Wikipedia only has 1.6M articles.
Can we compute a rank of how much each article is used now, and relate this to how many articles existed at the time when each article was created? Then we would know how premature the addition of each article was.
Again, my position is not that of judging what should be included now. I'm only trying to understand the math behind this.
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As it seems, there is no consensus, even among the few of us in this exchange, because i do not think size is enough to make a school notable. What makes it notable is either things that may have happened there, or notable alumni. Notable events are the same standard as any other N or N-news. For most, it will be alumni, and the practical question comes down to: how many- (of course it also depends who they are--One Nobel prize winner is enough) ). AfD seems to be deleting high school articles with only 1 notable alumnus and no other special features. I am not sure what the attitude would be towards 2, 3, etc. I am not even sure where I would draw the line.
Intermediate and elementary schools are another matter; I wouldn't use the alumni criterion here for anyone less than the President, and there are rarely news events.
The suggestion of giving each of the schools in a town section in a longer article is workable, though there be problems with cities.
I recognize, however, that in much of the US, high schools, and especially high school athletic teams, may be the center of community life. So merging a single town school in with the article for the town is another possibility.
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