Well, if we have articles for towns with just 2 inhabitants just
because RamBot made them, and as long as we're allowing articles for
Swedish towns with over 25K inhabitants, I don't see the issue with
allowing articles for all high schools with more than 25K Current
students+Living Alumni. If not that, you could set a higher boundary,
like 50K. (I didn't count dead alumni because they're dead and
frankly, dead people don't count. absentees can vote, as can expats,
at least in many countries, but dead people can't vote anywhere)
Really, just because they're voting to delete it at AfD doesn't mean
it deserves to be deleted. The article deletion mechanism on Wikipedia
is badly broken -- this is no better than [[Wikipedia:Quickpolls]] (I
wonder who around here remembers those? fun, fun, fun) except for the
deletion of pages. It's mob rule of things that shouldn't be ruled by
a mob (just because the 50 people on AfD haven't heard of it and can't
find it in their google searches does not mean it doesn't belong in an
encyclopaedia.)
Speaking of deletion... Despite what the Wikipedia article about the
Pokémon argument says about the articles having been "improved", most
of the Pokémon articles still have much less information than they
should to be allowed to be kept, imho, considering there are over 400
of the critters (back when I cared about them, there were 151, and for
a few months before I lost interest, 251), and many of them have
either 1) never been mentioned on the anime and are unimportant to the
plots of any of the games or 2) have only been mentioned in one
episode on the anime and are totally unimportant in the plots of the
games. I'm not sure why we can't combine them all into 4 or so
Pokédex-type articles, with ''Main article: [[THIS POKEMON]]'' for the
ones that really _are_ notable and have information about them.
Mark
On 25/01/07, David Goodman <dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/25/07, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
The thing about high schools is that they have
alumni. A particularly
large high school could have, I don't know, maybe 50,000 alumni? How
off am I?
Anyhow, just because not that many people go to it *right now* does
not mean it's not notable. Junior high schools, elementary schools,
sure, but larger-volume schools that have upwards of 1000 students at
any given time are certainly notable.
We may not have someone to maintain them, but that's because while we
have RamBot, we don't have SchoolBot. Maybe we should. (and unlike
city/town articles, we'd also need a SchoolAntiVandalBot to monitor
all the changes to those articles... the problem with high schools is
that those most interested in them tend to be their current students,
and their current students tend to include a large percentage of
dipshit vandals).
Mark
On 25/01/07, Lars Aronsson <lars(a)aronsson.se> wrote:
David Monniaux wrote:
But there's no reason we should have an
article on my neighbouring
highschool, unless we also want articles on every company or organization...
However, this "unless" is problematic. A printed encyclopedia in
20 volumes can only contain so many articles, and has to cut off
the long tail. Wikipedia is far bigger and steadily growing.
Small towns with 25,000 inhabitants in Sweden would never have an
article in Encyclopaedia Britannica, but now have articles in the
English Wikipedia, and everybody seem to agree that they *are*
sufficiently notable. So where is the limit drawn? Should the
three schools in that town also have articles? Maybe the answer
is: Not now, when Wikipedia only has 1.6 million articles, because
these schools are not among the 1.6 million most notable objects
in this world. But in five years time, when Wikipedia has 20
million articles, this might be different.
Maybe if the article is added now, and in five years time it is
still one of the least used ones, ranking not 1.6M but 20M, then
we know that now was not the right time to add this article? In
that case, notability is not a property of the topic itself, but
an issue in which order to add articles to Wikipedia. But it is
difficult to assess today if a topic has rank 20M when Wikipedia
only has 1.6M articles.
Can we compute a rank of how much each article is used now, and
relate this to how many articles existed at the time when each
article was created? Then we would know how premature the
addition of each article was.
Again, my position is not that of judging what should be included
now. I'm only trying to understand the math behind this.
--
Lars Aronsson (lars(a)aronsson.se)
Aronsson Datateknik -
http://aronsson.se
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As it seems, there is no consensus, even among the few of us in this
exchange, because i do not think size is enough to make a school
notable. What makes it notable is either things that may have happened
there, or notable alumni. Notable events are the same standard as any
other N or N-news. For most, it will be alumni, and the practical
question comes down to: how many- (of course it also depends who they
are--One Nobel prize winner is enough) ). AfD seems to be deleting
high school articles with only 1 notable alumnus and no other special
features. I am not sure what the attitude would be towards 2, 3, etc.
I am not even sure where I would draw the line.
Intermediate and elementary schools are another matter; I wouldn't use
the alumni criterion here for anyone less than the President, and
there are rarely news events.
The suggestion of giving each of the schools in a town section in a
longer article is workable, though there be problems with cities.
I recognize, however, that in much of the US, high schools, and
especially high school athletic teams, may be the center of community
life. So merging a single town school in with the article for the town
is another possibility.
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David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
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