Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks

That is only appropriate if the current content is actually junk. If it's legitimate, either it gets transferred or the original project stays open. MA, current policy is not to close projects unless they are infested with spam. I am quite worried that if we close this we will end up closing many others. That might well make the lives of stewards and GS a little easier, but it mostly runs against the grain of WMF's mission. Steven White From: langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 1:25 PM Subject: Langcom Digest, Vol 54, Issue 17 To: langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org Send Langcom mailing list submissions to langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to langcom-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at langcom-owner(a)lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks (MarcoAurelio) 2. Re: Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks (Gerard Meijssen) 3. Re: Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks (MF-Warburg) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:28:31 +0100 From: MarcoAurelio To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee Subject: Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" We can lock and leave the "content" there and inform people that if they wish to contribute further they can start a test project on the Incubator if that's okay. 2018-03-21 15:33 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > Having a project locked is different from having it moved to Incubator.. I > do not object to the project being locked. > Thanks, > Gerard > > On 21 March 2018 at 14:39, MarcoAurelio wrote: > >> Issue is that we're serving a project for just 15 pages. I'd argue that >> is, indeed, absence of content since the wiki creation. Combined with no >> users interested in the project, etc., the best we can do, IMHO, is to lock >> the project and return it back to Incubator. Respectfully submitted, MA. >> >> 2018-03-20 7:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : >> >>> Hoi, >>> As there is nothing new, no change in the maintenance needed for this >>> particular project I see his point but I do not see the need. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 19 March 2018 at 23:54, Steven White wrote: >>> >>>> Please see Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Malagasy Wikibooks >>>> on >>>> Meta. >>>> >>>> >>>> The general argument here is that this project has been dormant for >>>> about ten years, and should be closed. There is not a vandalism problem on >>>> the project, and indeed I argued that LangCom's current position is that it >>>> is better to leave dormant projects alone than to close them and move them >>>> to Incubator. >>>> >>>> >>>> User:MarcoAurelio, a steward who has posted here occasionally, argues >>>> that it's one more dormant project for stewards and global sysops to watch, >>>> and that in his view, it would be better to close this project. Two people >>>> in the community have responded: one user who really the only material >>>> contributor in the last ten years, along with an active sysop from Malagasy >>>> Wikipedia. Both effectively take the position that they're OK either way. >>>> >>>> >>>> I would personally argue against closing, because I don't see this as >>>> being a special case, and I'm concerned that it would open the doors to >>>> many more requests to close small projects. But I'd like to hear some >>>> other opinions about this. >>>> >>>> >>>> Steven >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Outlook >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:52:18 +0100 From: Gerard Meijssen To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee Subject: Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hoi, When it is about a Wikibooks, I do not need a period in the Incubator. As far as I am concerned, they can just move forward. Thanks, GerardM On 21 March 2018 at 16:28, MarcoAurelio wrote: > We can lock and leave the "content" there and inform people that if they > wish to contribute further they can start a test project on the Incubator > if that's okay. > > 2018-03-21 15:33 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : > >> Hoi, >> Having a project locked is different from having it moved to Incubator.. >> I do not object to the project being locked. >> Thanks, >> Gerard >> >> On 21 March 2018 at 14:39, MarcoAurelio wrote: >> >>> Issue is that we're serving a project for just 15 pages. I'd argue that >>> is, indeed, absence of content since the wiki creation. Combined with no >>> users interested in the project, etc., the best we can do, IMHO, is to lock >>> the project and return it back to Incubator. Respectfully submitted, MA. >>> >>> 2018-03-20 7:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : >>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> As there is nothing new, no change in the maintenance needed for this >>>> particular project I see his point but I do not see the need. >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 19 March 2018 at 23:54, Steven White wrote: >>>> >>>>> Please see Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Malagasy >>>>> Wikibooks >>>>> on >>>>> Meta. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The general argument here is that this project has been dormant for >>>>> about ten years, and should be closed. There is not a vandalism problem on >>>>> the project, and indeed I argued that LangCom's current position is that it >>>>> is better to leave dormant projects alone than to close them and move them >>>>> to Incubator. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> User:MarcoAurelio, a steward who has posted here occasionally, argues >>>>> that it's one more dormant project for stewards and global sysops to watch, >>>>> and that in his view, it would be better to close this project. Two people >>>>> in the community have responded: one user who really the only material >>>>> contributor in the last ten years, along with an active sysop from Malagasy >>>>> Wikipedia. Both effectively take the position that they're OK either way. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would personally argue against closing, because I don't see this as >>>>> being a special case, and I'm concerned that it would open the doors to >>>>> many more requests to close small projects. But I'd like to hear some >>>>> other opinions about this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Steven >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Outlook >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 18:25:03 +0100 From: MF-Warburg To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee Subject: Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Do you even know what you are talking about? Am 21.03.2018 5:52 nachm. schrieb "Gerard Meijssen" < gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt;gt;: > Hoi, > When it is about a Wikibooks, I do not need a period in the Incubator. As > far as I am concerned, they can just move forward. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 21 March 2018 at 16:28, MarcoAurelio wrote: > >> We can lock and leave the "content" there and inform people that if they >> wish to contribute further they can start a test project on the Incubator >> if that's okay. >> >> 2018-03-21 15:33 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : >> >>> Hoi, >>> Having a project locked is different from having it moved to Incubator.. >>> I do not object to the project being locked. >>> Thanks, >>> Gerard >>> >>> On 21 March 2018 at 14:39, MarcoAurelio wrote: >>> >>>> Issue is that we're serving a project for just 15 pages. I'd argue that >>>> is, indeed, absence of content since the wiki creation. Combined with no >>>> users interested in the project, etc., the best we can do, IMHO, is to lock >>>> the project and return it back to Incubator. Respectfully submitted, MA. >>>> >>>> 2018-03-20 7:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen : >>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> As there is nothing new, no change in the maintenance needed for this >>>>> particular project I see his point but I do not see the need. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 19 March 2018 at 23:54, Steven White >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Please see Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Malagasy >>>>>> Wikibooks >>>>>> on >>>>>> Meta. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The general argument here is that this project has been dormant for >>>>>> about ten years, and should be closed. There is not a vandalism problem on >>>>>> the project, and indeed I argued that LangCom's current position is that it >>>>>> is better to leave dormant projects alone than to close them and move them >>>>>> to Incubator. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> User:MarcoAurelio, a steward who has posted here occasionally, argues >>>>>> that it's one more dormant project for stewards and global sysops to watch, >>>>>> and that in his view, it would be better to close this project. Two people >>>>>> in the community have responded: one user who really the only material >>>>>> contributor in the last ten years, along with an active sysop from Malagasy >>>>>> Wikipedia. Both effectively take the position that they're OK either way. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would personally argue against closing, because I don't see this as >>>>>> being a special case, and I'm concerned that it would open the doors to >>>>>> many more requests to close small projects. But I'd like to hear some >>>>>> other opinions about this. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Steven >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Outlook >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Langcom mailing list >>>>> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Langcom mailing list >>>> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Langcom mailing list >>> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Langcom mailing list >> Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.wik… > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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