No, that's not appropriate, Gerard. Either it stays open or it gets moved to
Incubator. It's not right to lock it and then leave it there so that no one else can
decide to pick it up.
Steven White
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1. Re: Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] [x-post] Wikimedia Language team
online meeting on March 28 instead of March 21 [was Re: [x-post]
Wikimedia Language team office hour and online meeting on March
21, 2018 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC] (Satdeep Gill)
2. Re: Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks (MarcoAurelio)
3. Re: Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks (Gerard Meijssen)
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 18:32:39 +0530
From: Satdeep Gill <satdeepgill(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Fwd: [Mediawiki-i18n] [x-post] Wikimedia
Language team online meeting on March 28 instead of March 21 [was Re:
[x-post] Wikimedia Language team office hour and online meeting on
March 21, 2018 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC]
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Hi,
In case you planned to come to this session, this was delayed to next week.
The "unavoidable reason" is that I am not feeling well :)
I do hope to see you there!
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From: Runa Bhattacharjee <rbhattacharjee(a)wikimedia.org>
Date: 2018-03-20 14:09 GMT+02:00
Subject: [Mediawiki-i18n] [x-post] Wikimedia Language team online meeting
on March 28 instead of March 21 [was Re: [x-post] Wikimedia Language team
office hour and online meeting on March 21, 2018 (Wednesday) at 1300 UTC]
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>,
Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, Wikimedia &
GLAM collaboration [Public] <glam@lists.wikimedia.org>, MediaWiki
internationalisation <mediawiki-i18n@lists.wikimedia.org>
Hello,
Due to unavoidable reasons, we have had to move this online session to
next week, on 28th March 2018. The time will be same i.e. 1300 UTC. I will
send a reminder ahead of the session. Meanwhile, please see the original
announcement below for other details.
Thanks, and apologies for this last minute change.
regards
Runa
On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:17 AM, Runa Bhattacharjee <
rbhattacharjee(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
[x-posted announcement]
Hello,
Wikimedia Foundation’s Language team would like to invite you for an
online office hour session scheduled for Wednesday, March 21st, 2018 at
13:00 UTC. This will be an open session to talk about our work, and in
particular the changes to interlanguage links, which were recently
rolled-out on the English Wikipedia.
The new option shows a list of up to 9 languages instead of a long list
that can have more than 200 items, and a panel with all the links that can
be looked up in any language using a search box. The purpose of this
feature is to make articles in all languages easier to find. We recently
published a blog post about this feature and the thoughts behind the
development:
https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fblog.wiki…p;reserved=0.
This session is going to be an online discussion over Google
Hangouts/Youtube with a simultaneous IRC conversation. Due to the
limitation of Google Hangouts, only a limited number of participation slots
are available. Hence, do please let us know in advance if you would like to
join in the Hangout. The IRC channel will be open for interactions during
the session.
Please read below for the event details, including local time, youtube
session links and do let us know if you have any questions.
Thank you
Runa
== Details ==
# Event: Wikimedia Foundation Language office hour session
# When: March 21st, 2018 (Wednesday) at 13:00 UTC (check local time
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# Where: and on IRC #wikimedia-office (Freenode) and
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# Agenda:
Discussion about Compact Language Links, and Q & A.
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:39:54 +0100
From: MarcoAurelio <strigiwm(a)gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks
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Issue is that we're serving a project for just 15 pages. I'd argue that is,
indeed, absence of content since the wiki creation. Combined with no users
interested in the project, etc., the best we can do, IMHO, is to lock the
project and return it back to Incubator. Respectfully submitted, MA.
2018-03-20 7:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hoi,
As there is nothing new, no change in the maintenance needed for this
particular project I see his point but I do not see the need.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 19 March 2018 at 23:54, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Please see Proposals for closing projects/Closure
of Malagasy Wikibooks
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on
Meta.
The general argument here is that this project has been dormant for about
ten years, and should be closed. There is not a vandalism problem on the
project, and indeed I argued that LangCom's current position is that it is
better to leave dormant projects alone than to close them and move them to
Incubator.
User:MarcoAurelio, a steward who has posted here occasionally, argues
that it's one more dormant project for stewards and global sysops to watch,
and that in his view, it would be better to close this project. Two people
in the community have responded: one user who really the only material
contributor in the last ten years, along with an active sysop from Malagasy
Wikipedia. Both effectively take the position that they're OK either way.
I would personally argue against closing, because I don't see this as
being a special case, and I'm concerned that it would open the doors to
many more requests to close small projects. But I'd like to hear some
other opinions about this.
Steven
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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 15:33:51 +0100
From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Langcom] Proposal to close Malagasy Wikibooks
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Hoi,
Having a project locked is different from having it moved to Incubator.. I
do not object to the project being locked.
Thanks,
Gerard
On 21 March 2018 at 14:39, MarcoAurelio <strigiwm(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Issue is that we're serving a project for just 15
pages. I'd argue that
is, indeed, absence of content since the wiki creation. Combined with no
users interested in the project, etc., the best we can do, IMHO, is to lock
the project and return it back to Incubator. Respectfully submitted, MA.
2018-03-20 7:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hoi,
As there is nothing new, no change in the maintenance needed for this
particular project I see his point but I do not see the need.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 19 March 2018 at 23:54, Steven White <Koala19890(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
Please see Proposals for closing projects/Closure
of Malagasy Wikibooks
<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmeta.wikimedia.org%2Fwiki%2FProposals_for_closing_projects%2FClosure_of_Malagasy_Wikibooks&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5e5d83d389a64a69566708d58f38d54a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636572396618002551&sdata=KhhzD701MD830kIOwjHF3ZpOS79NofrAu%2FYcO59Djg0%3D&reserved=0>
on
Meta.
The general argument here is that this project has been dormant for
about ten years, and should be closed. There is not a vandalism problem on
the project, and indeed I argued that LangCom's current position is that it
is better to leave dormant projects alone than to close them and move them
to Incubator.
User:MarcoAurelio, a steward who has posted here occasionally, argues
that it's one more dormant project for stewards and global sysops to watch,
and that in his view, it would be better to close this project. Two people
in the community have responded: one user who really the only material
contributor in the last ten years, along with an active sysop from Malagasy
Wikipedia. Both effectively take the position that they're OK either way.
I would personally argue against closing, because I don't see this as
being a special case, and I'm concerned that it would open the doors to
many more requests to close small projects. But I'd like to hear some
other opinions about this.
Steven
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