I'm more than happy to do it, but I have experienced Marrovi's behavior
in the Spanish Wikipedia, where he has been permanently blocked, and in
the Ladino Wikipedia, where he was doing the same thing (and in my
opinion, still does) and I do not trust him; I am even thinking it is
time for a Global Ban -the value of his contributions are reduced to
almost zero with his attitude towards other contributors and making his
own rules on every project he has worked on, as you can see on each one
of the four wikis he has been permanently banned from.
I'd rather contact WMMX to see how more Nahuatl speakers can be
recruited and in the meantime, encourage the current nahwiki community
to improve the contents of the project, discussing it on Meta.
Thanks,
M
On 16/10/2017 8:59 p.m., Oliver Stegen wrote:
Thanks, Steven - I applaud your wrestling with possible next steps and
your proposal of a general RfC page on Meta. Alas!, I don't have
enough Spanish to represent LangCom there. Maybe Maor Malul? (the only
native Spanish speaker among us)
Fwiw,
Oliver
On 16-Oct-17 19:43, Steven White wrote:
There is no question that User:Marrovi is difficult. The fact that
the proposal comes from him makes it hard to take seriously in many
respects. And in any event, unless the nahwiki project is really
not in valid Nahuatl (of some type or another), I don't see any
policy grounds on which you can justify closing this project.
That having been said, I think you really need to take the comments
by Marcos Williamson (by e-mail) and User:Maunus (on-wiki) to heart.
It's really too bad that Marrovi's presence muddles the picture so
much, because there are apparently some serious issues here. I am
not sure, personally, exactly what to do about it. In theory, I try
to encourage the individual Nahuatl test projects at Incubator, but
Marrovi is also very active there, and I do not have the language
skills to know if he's writing garbage (and can be blocked) or not.
As to the current nah Wikipedia, in principle I like the suggestion
by Maunus (that Michael endorsed). But I don't see how that generally
fits WMF's rules ("anyone can edit"). I've been wracking my brain
over next steps forward, and all I can really see is this:
* Reject and close this current proposal.
* Create a more general RfC page to discuss whether the rules for
nahwiki should (or even can) be changed to give more weight to
the contributions of true, fluent Nahuatl speakers. I think this
should be on Meta, because if it is actually on nahwiki, much
will be in Nahuatl, and most of us can't speak it.
o When you do this, it would be best if someone had at least a
rough proposal in mind. And I suspect it needs to include
some content evaluation by experts in Nahuatl who are
currently uninvolved in the dispute.
o Probably someone fairly fluent in Spanish—that's the "major"
language that most interested parties speak–needs to draft
that proposal and then moderate.
o Marrovi needs to be strictly limited in his contributions so
that he does not continue to write "walls" of text. If you
set such limitations, I can enforce them as a sysop.
* See if Wikimedia Mexico can recruit more Nahuatl-speaking
contributors.
Respectfully,
Steven White (User:StevenJ81)
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