This should move forward.
On 20 Jul 2017, at 22:04, MF-Warburg
<mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
Indeed we should, this is already taking embarrasingly long. Do any other members plan to
review the test-wiki content?
2017-07-20 3:58 GMT+02:00 Jay prakash <0freerunning(a)gmail.com>om>:
This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because this taked
already long time after creation of task.
On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" <0freerunning(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Langcom Members,
As of Hindi points of view the content which already have are very
usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this type of information. We already
made well written content like Principals of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc.
Where the content is much better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats
do student after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure of
Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in english. But Hindi
Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free knowledge in thier language. I am
not say you believe me. You can confirm it with third party.
With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks
On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it. The
consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is it viable, is it
used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com> wrote:
StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in
<https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>,
for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the
project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved).
Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>om>:
I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At first I just
wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed that there are only
"69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, and redirects)" (cf.
catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher previously.
However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also don't see any
pages that look like courses, which after all, is what Wikiversity is for.
Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi Wikiversity should
not be created, and the approval taken back.
2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>om>:
Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project
as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby(a)gmail.com>om>:
(Late reply, sorry.)
While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't think
it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation of projects based
on those merits. We should only focus on whether the community for the relevant language
edition of a project is healthy enough for it to become a separate project, without
consideration for the individual committee members' feelings about the project as a
whole.
2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hoi,
Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by several is what is
Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill <satdeepgill(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I do think that the community will improve content as the time progresses. The community
has been working hard on translation as well.
But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine translations. Such
as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A…
Regards
Satdeep Gill
Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
Member, Language Committee
On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash <0freerunning(a)gmail.com> wrote:
[
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer]
See Here.
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <mmorshe2(a)illinois.edu> wrote:
Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack
of effort to even localize the
comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being addressed
slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example.
I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that
there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other
Wikimedia projects.
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash <0freerunning(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
You are showing it that you will not see all
those links which I have
cleaned like it [
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर
ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <mmorshe2(a)illinois.edu> wrote:
To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also
via Phabricator:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text
and
the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to
"Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence".
His
second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only
a
link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer
Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded
elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to
@Jayprakash12345
<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/>'s
userpage--maybe
it
is his own email address?
The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed
inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are
linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even
localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the
lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving
around
those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the
only
consistent contributor going back at least a
month, I must thus agree
with
his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would
be a disaster. My
personal
opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as
hiwikisource and
hiwikiquote)
could be populated more easily and meaningfully
at this point, but I
would
digress to elaborate on that and the whole
process of site requests
more
generally here.
(Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:
HI
that 1) the subcategory "Artificial
intelligence" has been deleted and
2)
the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp
<justinkoavf(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> Via Phabricator (
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166):
>
> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84
> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are
> themselves empty, such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/
> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of
> which
> are just one or two lines, such as
https://beta.wikiversity.org/
> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or
>
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर_ग्राफिक्स/2013-2014/पेज_फ़ुट
> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories
> and
> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes
> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as
>
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/लिनक्स/linux-0.01.tar/boot/boot.s.
> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates
> and
> pages like
>
https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer.
> The actual amount of content seems like something that one person
> could
> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project?
This
> seems like a misstep.
>
> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in
five
> and a half years? And most of them are either
copy-pasted Linux code
> or
> one
> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for
> disaster.
>
> --JAK
> --
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> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
>
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