Hello,
I know you haven’t heard from me in awhile and I hope this e-mail is recognized by the
list.
I was the original registrant of the ISO “gsw” tag. I’ve read the discussion page for
this, but only in assisted translation, though I can parse the French OK. I’d also add
that I registered this tag maybe 10 years ago and suggested this change on the Wikipedia
shortly afterward before I ever joined Langcom. I think that might have been how I ended
up here? :)
These points may help clarify some things:
1. The “gsw” tag is what’s appropriate for Alsatian, Schweizerdeutsch, and Alemannic.
Those are considered to be dialects of the same language continuum. It is a bit of an
unusual tag in that it does indicate a range of related dialects. Any discussion of
Swabian relates to what ISO considers a separate language.
Ref:
http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/langcodes-keyword.php?SearchTerm=…
<http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/langcodes-keyword.php?SearchTerm=gsw&SearchType=ALL>
2. The IETF tags discussed are more specific than the ISO code and can be used to
distinguish the three named variants above by region — if that is useful. This is one case
where allowing the IETF tagging could be very useful, IMHO, but not sure where the group
stands with respect to that. However, it should be noted that there is more than one
dialect of GSW just in Germany. But there are other variant tagging options for that. That
could be preferable. I can’t say.
3. But ISO codes are not assigned by region. It appears that someone is questioning why
other languages spoken in Alsace are not part of the same tag? There, I may have lost
something in translation. The Amish language discussed is also considered distinct, but
would have to look up the code.
4. Those familiar with these dialects should be clear that gsw and gsw-CH are not used to
describe High German as written in Switzerland for formal purposes. They describe the more
casual dialect used in informal situations that is not easily understood by speakers of
High German.
In any event, “gsw” certainly seems to be a better tag than “als.” Just some question as
to whether the Wiki contains a specific variant that could be identified with more
specific tagging and whether we want to allow that. I will look through the discussion
more closely. I could provide a better answer if I knew more about the community that
works on this and which variant is primarily used, or whether the dialect variants are
mixed throughout the Wikipedia. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Karen Broome
On Feb 8, 2017, at 2:09 AM, mathieu stumpf guntz
<psychoslave(a)culture-libre.org> wrote:
By the way, we use "als" (
https://als.wikipedia.org/
<https://als.wikipedia.org/>) for Alemannic
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alemannic_German> whose ISO 639-3 is "gsw".
Should we do something about that ?
There are active discussions on Alemannic languages
<https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Recherche?search=gsw&prefix=Wiktionnaire%3AWikid%C3%A9mie&fulltext=Rechercher+dans+les+archives+de+la+Wikid%C3%A9mie&fulltext=Search>
on the French Wikitionnary, with a good summary of the situation
<https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionnaire:Wikid%C3%A9mie/janvier_2017#Que_faire_de_l.27alsacien_.3F>
and solution proposals by Lyokoï. Discussions are following works around the project
"langues de France
<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Langues_de_France>", especially
lingualibre <http://www.lingualibre.fr/>, and various support from OLCA (Office pour
la Langue et la Culture d’Alsace, Office for the Language and Culture of Alsace) which
provided active help in finding location to host the next Wikiconvention francophone
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2017/fr>.
There are also some discussion on "gsw" on the Alemanic Wikipedia
<https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Suech?search=gsw&prefix=Wikipedia%3AStammtisch%2F&fulltext=Archiv+dursueche&fulltext=Search&searchToken=agupy8m0zs1u98f6wtoje1n9a>.
Bis bàll,
Mathieu
Le 02/02/2017 à 16:50, Danny B. a écrit :
Hello,
here is the summary of ISO 639-3 annual changes:
Retirements (= the following codes no longer exist)
* 5 simple retirements
** prb / Lua'
** puk / Pu Ko
** rie / Rien
** rsi / Rennellese Sign Language
** snh / Shinabo
* 3 merged retirements
** jeg / Jeng -> oyb /Oy
** skk / Sok -> oyb / Oy
** krm / Krim -> bmf / Bom-Kim
* 1 split language
** kgd / Kataang -> ncq / Northern Katang + sct / Southern Katang
Additions (= the following codes have been added)
* 8 newly created languages not previously associated with another language in the code
set
** gie / Gaɓogbo
** ibh / Bih
** lth / Thur
** npx / Noipx
** nql / Ngendelengo
** szs / Solomon Islands Sign Language
** ukk / Muak Sa-aak
** xdo / Kwandu
* 2 newly created languages created by splitting the previously existing
** ncq / Northern Katang (ex kgd / Kataang)
** sct / Southern Katang (ex kgd / Kataang)
Updates
* 8 name updates, either change to a name form or addition of a name form
** blv: Bolo -> Kibala
** bmf: Bom -> Bom-Kim
** cug: Chung -> Chungmboko
** klw: Lindu -> Tado
** krr: Kru'ng 2 -> Krung
** lgn: Opuuo -> T'apo
** ngt: Ngeq -> Kriang
** ovd: Övdalian -> Elfdalian
* 2 denotation updates of a language into which another variety or two was merged
** oyb (+jeg, +skk)
** bmf (+krm)
Kind regards
Danny B.
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