[Gerard Meijssen ([Wiktionary-l] Ultimate Wiktionary and design decisions) writes:]
For the Ultimate Wiktionary I have documented some of the design criteria. It can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_decisions_on_its_usage The Data design can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_data_design
I have added some comments to the Discussion pages of those two.
One crucial decision is that only correct spelling is allowed.
Fine, as long as you are going to cater for multiple correct spellings. If you don't it's going to be difficult for some languages, e.g., English, and impossible for others, e.g.. Japanese.
This means that all incorrect spelling will be amended or deleted. As Ultimate Wiktionary is a database, it does not cater for things like redirects. I urge you to have a look at both the design criteria and the design itself because this is the time when it is relatively easy to make changes. Once Erik starts coding the UW database, having finished Wikidata and the GEMET implementation, the moment has passed us by.
Indeed.
Jim
If there were an Ultimate Wiktionary, I'd like to have ang available in Latin and Runic sets.
James
-----Original Message----- From: wiktionary-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wiktionary-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Jim Breen Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:12 PM To: The Wiktionary (http://www.wiktionary.org) mailing list Subject: Re: [Wiktionary-l] Ultimate Wiktionary and design decisions
[Gerard Meijssen ([Wiktionary-l] Ultimate Wiktionary and design decisions) writes:]
For the Ultimate Wiktionary I have documented some of the design criteria. It can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_decisions_on_its_usage
The Data design can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_data_design
I have added some comments to the Discussion pages of those two.
One crucial decision is that only correct spelling is allowed.
Fine, as long as you are going to cater for multiple correct spellings. If you don't it's going to be difficult for some languages, e.g., English, and impossible for others, e.g.. Japanese.
This means that all incorrect spelling will be amended or deleted. As Ultimate Wiktionary is a database, it does not cater for things like redirects. I urge you to have a look at both the design criteria and the design itself because this is the time when it is relatively easy to make changes. Once Erik starts coding the UW database, having finished Wikidata and the GEMET implementation, the moment has passed us by.
Indeed.
Jim
-- Jim Breen http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/ Clayton School of Information Technology, Tel: +61 3 9905 9554 Monash University, VIC 3800, Australia Fax: +61 3 9905 5146 (Monash Provider No. 00008C) ジム・ブリーン@モナシュ大学 _______________________________________________ Wiktionary-l mailing list Wiktionary-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiktionary-l
James R. Johnson modean52@comcast.net wrote:
If there were an Ultimate Wiktionary, I'd like to have ang available in Latin and Runic sets.
And with Ƿ or with W, and with macrons or with acutes ...
*Muke!
James R. Johnson wrote:
If there were an Ultimate Wiktionary, I'd like to have ang available in Latin and Runic sets.
James
Hoi, If you want this old language, you can have it both with Runic sets and in Latin. When the UW is on line, you even have a user interface in either script the first thing to do is to localise the user interface. This is done by adding translations to words like noun or Nederlands or romaji. As to runic sets, if they have a UTF-8 characterset, there will be no problem. Thanks, Gerard
-----Original Message----- From: wiktionary-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wiktionary-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Jim Breen Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:12 PM To: The Wiktionary (http://www.wiktionary.org) mailing list Subject: Re: [Wiktionary-l] Ultimate Wiktionary and design decisions
[Gerard Meijssen ([Wiktionary-l] Ultimate Wiktionary and design decisions) writes:]
For the Ultimate Wiktionary I have documented some of the design criteria. It can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_decisions_on_its_usage
The Data design can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_data_design
I have added some comments to the Discussion pages of those two.
One crucial decision is that only correct spelling is allowed.
Fine, as long as you are going to cater for multiple correct spellings. If you don't it's going to be difficult for some languages, e.g., English, and impossible for others, e.g.. Japanese.
Multiple correct spellings are possible it is however best to identify the spelling for the script that they use. Typically one way of spelling is more or less standardised in a orthography or it can be associated with a particular dialect.
This means that all incorrect spelling will be amended or deleted. As Ultimate Wiktionary is a database, it does not cater for things like redirects. I urge you to have a look at both the design criteria and the design itself because this is the time when it is relatively easy to make changes. Once Erik starts coding the UW database, having finished Wikidata and the GEMET implementation, the moment has passed us by.
Indeed.
Jim
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James R. Johnson wrote:
If there were an Ultimate Wiktionary, I'd like to have ang available in Latin and Runic sets.
James
-----Original Message----- From: wiktionary-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wiktionary-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Jim Breen Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:12 PM To: The Wiktionary (http://www.wiktionary.org) mailing list Subject: Re: [Wiktionary-l] Ultimate Wiktionary and design decisions
[Gerard Meijssen ([Wiktionary-l] Ultimate Wiktionary and design decisions) writes:]
For the Ultimate Wiktionary I have documented some of the design criteria. It can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_decisions_on_its_usage
The Data design can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_data_design
I have added some comments to the Discussion pages of those two.
One crucial decision is that only correct spelling is allowed.
Fine, as long as you are going to cater for multiple correct spellings. If you don't it's going to be difficult for some languages, e.g., English, and impossible for others, e.g.. Japanese.
Many languages have different accepted spellings for the same word. Japanese with the three character sets. German with umlauts and ae, oe and ue or ss instead of ß. Esperanto accepts cx and ch for ^c. Dutch had at one time a preferred and a progressive spelling and English has some variants depending on the locality it is spoken. I'm sure it doesn't end there and it is something a multilingual dictionary has to cater for. Adding common misspellings shouldn't be all that hard. They simply need a possibility to be marked as such. The misspellings don't exactly have to be shown either (except maybe on demand), but when somebody uses them to search the database, the entries they point to should be found.
Just my 2 cents,
Polyglot
cookfire wrote:
James R. Johnson wrote:
If there were an Ultimate Wiktionary, I'd like to have ang available in Latin and Runic sets.
James
-----Original Message----- From: wiktionary-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wiktionary-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Jim Breen Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 10:12 PM To: The Wiktionary (http://www.wiktionary.org) mailing list Subject: Re: [Wiktionary-l] Ultimate Wiktionary and design decisions
[Gerard Meijssen ([Wiktionary-l] Ultimate Wiktionary and design decisions) writes:]
For the Ultimate Wiktionary I have documented some of the design criteria. It can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_decisions_on_its_usage
The Data design can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_data_design
I have added some comments to the Discussion pages of those two.
One crucial decision is that only correct spelling is allowed.
Fine, as long as you are going to cater for multiple correct spellings. If you don't it's going to be difficult for some languages, e.g., English, and impossible for others, e.g.. Japanese.
Many languages have different accepted spellings for the same word. Japanese with the three character sets. German with umlauts and ae, oe and ue or ss instead of ß. Esperanto accepts cx and ch for ^c. Dutch had at one time a preferred and a progressive spelling and English has some variants depending on the locality it is spoken. I'm sure it doesn't end there and it is something a multilingual dictionary has to cater for. Adding common misspellings shouldn't be all that hard. They simply need a possibility to be marked as such. The misspellings don't exactly have to be shown either (except maybe on demand), but when somebody uses them to search the database, the entries they point to should be found.
Just my 2 cents,
Polyglot
Hoi, Have a look at the latest design it caters for having some Miss Pellings. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_decisions_on_its_usage#On... Thanks, Gerard
PS the design is still very much an evolving thing
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
One crucial decision is that only correct spelling is allowed.
Fine, as long as you are going to cater for multiple correct spellings. If you don't it's going to be difficult for some languages, e.g., English, and impossible for others, e.g.. Japanese.
Many languages have different accepted spellings for the same word. Japanese with the three character sets. German with umlauts and ae, oe and ue or ss instead of ß. Esperanto accepts cx and ch for ^c. Dutch had at one time a preferred and a progressive spelling and English has some variants depending on the locality it is spoken. I'm sure it doesn't end there and it is something a multilingual dictionary has to cater for. Adding common misspellings shouldn't be all that hard. They simply need a possibility to be marked as such. The misspellings don't exactly have to be shown either (except maybe on demand), but when somebody uses them to search the database, the entries they point to should be found.
Hoi, Have a look at the latest design it caters for having some Miss Pellings. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Wiktionary_decisions_on_its_usage#On...
What about languages that do not have "correct spelling" standards?
*Muke!
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