On 04/03/2008, Mike <mike_wikipedia(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
Hi,
Lately, I have started wondering why we don't
have a set of multilingual discussion pages - one
to deal with English, say, which could be used
for people interested in working on English words
in any wiktionary. Another for Swedish, and so
on... Then we could, I believe, reduce the amount
of *repeatedly* produced "hot air".... ;)
I mean, I see right now a discussion concerning
Romance languages' participles underway in
en:wikt. I see no reason, however, why a such
discussion won't arise again, in the Greek, or
the Polish, or even the Italian wiktionary.
I see the same discussions concerning various
details on certain Swedish words being held on
both sv: and en: - and in how many more places
are these words discussed without me noticing
because I'm not active in those wiktionaries, and
perhaps unable to understand the language in
which it is held? Perhaps I (or someone else)
familiar with other wiktionaries could point out
how the same problem may have been solved already
in this second wiktionary, would I only know
about the discussion...
Someone found out a while ago that several
wiktionaries had made mistakes in their treatment
of Irish nation names - and had to rise the same
issue over and over and over again, once in each
wiktionary where this user found this particular
error.
Though I know meta - in theory at least - has
been multilingual for quite some time, I'm not
very active there and hence don't really know
about how successful (or not) their attempts to
deal with large numbers of extensive multilingual
discussions have been. (Perhaps someone could
enlighten me?)
Of course I understand that there are some
serious complications with any attempt of a
"multilingual discussion" - maybe most
importantly the continuous need to translate
things, but I guess there also will be issues
with various wiktionaries wanting to arrange
things in very different manners.
Now the question is: would anyone be interested
in trying to follow a multilingual discussion of
their favourite language if it took place in meta
or on another site than they ordinarily work on?
Or would such an attempt be considered as an
attempt of *someone* (=outsiders) to decide how
"my" wiktonary is run?
Comments?
Regards,
\Mike
(p.s. This actually makes me regret that we
basically decided to split the wiktionaries
according to the user interface language and not
according to "content language", way back in
2003/2004 or whenever the first two non-English
wiktionaries were created.... :/ Well, no point
crying over spilled milk.)
I'm \Mike.
You'll find me at [[wikt:sv:Användare:Mike]], [[wikt:en:User:Mike]] and elsewhere.
Since each Wiktionary project aims to define every word in every
language, a single multilingual project would be more optimal than the
current division per-interface language.
Interestingly, such a project has already started (albeit, not under
the auspices of Wikimedia Foundation):
http://www.omegawiki.org/
This project was started by Wikimedians and is almost identical to the
aims of Wiktionary. The main difference is that omegawiki is based on
a more dictionary-friendly version of MediaWiki, allowing definitions
in different languages to be attached to an expression. The user
selects their preferred language and definitions in this language are
presented first.
One issue is the project works in a different way, it is not possible
to simply transfer Wiktionary contents into it. To embrace omegawiki,
we'd have to phase out Wiktionary in its current state. I think
omegawiki as Wiktionary 2.0 is a controversial idea among many
Wiktionarians, though I can't give you any more details on that.
A unified multilingual project could make progress far more quickly.
That omegawiki is based on WikiData also makes it more flexible and
useful (as part of the semantic web, for researchers, for end-users,
for contributors, &c.) Also, because users from different languages
aggregate together, correctness of spelling and definition is more
likely.
Are there long-term plans to bring omegawiki under Wikimedia
Foundation? Do Wiktionarians oppose this? Do omegawiki-people oppose
this? Does the Foundation oppose this?
--
Oldak Quill (oldakquill(a)gmail.com)