--- Timwi timwi@gmx.net wrote: > Andrew Dunbar wrote:
I'm also convinced proper capitalisation is crucial for a dictionary project. But I'm not convinced Timwi's solution is the best way to go about it.
This suggests to me that you don't understand what all of this is about.
If that's the case, it's only because you haven't made clear just what you want.
Apparently many people have misunderstood all of this, which is a real shame, because now we have loads of "no" votes from people who thought they are voting against something else.
I think it's because you have focused much more on talking about "proper spelling" - which most of us want, and not explained how. Even now you are mostly saying "technical change" - just explain what the technical change is. As I've pointed out, there are several technical changes which could give us "proper spelling". I'm sure I'm not the only one who has assumed you mean a different change, or just not known which change you have in mind.
Currently the software automatically capitalises the first letter of pages. "kind" automatically becomes "Kind", "isiZulu" automatically becomes "IsiZulu". As a consequence, we cannot have separate pages for [[kind]] (Engl. adj.) and [[Kind]] (German noun).
Which means it case-folds it. Which means that it treast an uppercase letter the same as a lowercase letter, if it's the first letter in the word. Which you haven't made clear, and I have tried to make clear.
I do want isiZulu to have the proper spelling at the place in the page where everybody will notice it.
I don't see any point in having "kind" and "Kind" on different pages. For starters, people won't see the false friend, which is now right there. This is one thing I like about Wiktionary.
This is *only* about *removing that technological restriction*.
Here you are not spelling out "restriction".
Almost all concerns raised, such as those with the search engine or with the linking etc.etc., are *irrelevant to this*. They are separate issues, and many of them *are* already issues that are neither worsened nor solved by this.
Exactly. I do not see the point in hacking the Wiki code to fix one issue at a time, in such a closely related area, when we can look at the big picture, how we really want it, think what change in this area will solve the most problems and create the fewest new ones, and then implement that one fix. Once.
This is *not* a miracle cure, and there is *no* point in opposing it just because it isn't a miracle cure.
Nobody ever mentioned miracles. I understand the technical issues very well. I know what's possible and what's miraculous. I know what's trivial and what's difficult to implement.
I want separate words to be on separate pages if they are spelt differently.
Then this is what you should say as your "vote for this change" line, instead of "I want proper spelling". They are not the same thing, as I hope I have made clear. You can have proper spelling without putting the words on separate pages.
This is currently the case, with the arbitrary exception of first-letter capitalisation.
I agree that it's arbitrary. This annoys me also.
I want to remove that. I want "Kind" and "kind" be separate pages.
This is much clearer and should be made clearer on the wiki page too.
Examples that were given that should remain on a single page are essentially the same word (such as English "Cynosure" and German "Rot").
Removing the technological restriction of having it force capitalisation on us *DOES NOT REQUIRE* us to reparate those out into separate pages.
Please say "making the first letter case sensitive" or something similar instead of the fuzzy "technological restriction".
So don't vote "no" because you don't want that, that's a different vote!
I hope I made things clearer now. Timwi
Somewhat but not totally, and perhaps not for everybody.
Hippietrail.
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