Wiktionary-l November 2004

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Great French invention
by Gerard Meijssen 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Hoi, Yannf has added a category "language" to the categories that hold the words in a language. This gives you one list with all lists of words in a particular language. To make it really nice, he is adding links from one list of words in a language to the same list on a different wiktionary. This makes it possible to compare content between the different wiktionaries. A category displays how many entries there are on a list; I have used this on the "nl:Hoofdpagina", the main page, to indicate how many languages we may have words in. Thanks, GerardM

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it:wiktionary's Christmas project.
by Gerard Meijssen 13 Nov '04

13 Nov '04

On the 13th of november, the steamboat of "Sinterklaas" arrives in Alkmaar. People in the Netherlands and particularly the kids of the Netherlands welcome the "Sint" from his summer residence of Madrid Spain. With his boat loaded with presents for the kids who have been good, the kids await the nameday of the Sint and on "pakjesavond" the evening of the 5th of december the Sint will, on his white horse and his black helpers who are all called "Piet", bring the presents to the waiting kids.. Sinterklaas who is actually from Mira Turkey and lies burried in Bari Italy, is the predessesor of the Santaclaus who everybody knows comes Finland and brings the presents on Christmas on his sledge with reindeer ..... This year, we have started a nice Christmas project. The Italian wiktionary who will be centre stage for this, http://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/Buon_Natale_e_felice_Anno_Nuovo%21 is a page where you find "Merry Christmas and a happy New Year!" in many languages and some have pronounciations. There is already a sizable collection but, it is not complete, it is not always correct and as importantly, we want to HEAR how it sounds in all these languages !! The best place to store all these .ogg soundfiles is in our Commons project. For the use of pronounciations, the wiktionary project has come up with a naming convention: first the ISO 639 code and then the word or phrase e.g. "image:it-Buon Natale e felice Anno Nuovo!.ogg" is the one for Italian. One way in which wiktionaries can join in is by also hosting all these merry wishes in their wiktionary with sounds and everything. Another way is by including other seasonal wishes as well. The wikipedia's can join in by having article on "Celebrating Christmas" and inform us how Christmas is celebrated in various communities, the rituals and traditions, the festivities. In Wikibooks we could do something with Christmas stories or songs from all over the world. One way in which we all can join this project is by enjoying it and have a great happy Christmas and a wonderfull new year. Thanks, Sabine Cretella Gerard Meijssen

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How to receive help in a subproject - "Christmas"
by Sabine Cretella 06 Nov '04

06 Nov '04

Some days ago Gerard and I talked about "what would happen if we start a subproject with just one sentence to be translated/checked in as many languages as possible". Really I don't remember how we started to talk about "Merry Christmas and a happy New Year", but I myself did something similar last year on my private wiki, just with "Merry Christmas" and I am now adding the translations step by step to the Italian wiktionary. You can have a look at this here: http://wiki.wesolveitnet.com/wakka.php?wakka=MerryChristmas and Gerard had a list of "Merry Christmas and a happy New Year" in many languages For now the pages are present on the Italien wiktionary here: http://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/Categoria:Terminologia_natalizia (as you can note: from one sentence we are already on "some pages") Babbo Natale = Santa Claus Buon Natale = Merry Christmas Bon Natale e felice Anno Nuovo! = Merry Christmas and a happy New Year Cristo = Christ Natale = Christmas albero di Natale = Christmas tree presepe = crib caldendaro d'avvento = advent calendar calendario di Natale = advent calendar avvento = advent In the meantime I started to contact single people to ask for help checking the translations that are already there. I am writing single messages to people of that specific language - people who normally contribute to wikipedia (checking out how they work on wikipedia and how likely they should contribute). Two out of ten answered/checked/amended things. The same percentage is valid for translators I contacted directly. At this stage it is useless to transfer these long lists of translations to other wiktionaries - they need proffreading first. Only after proofreading we can really start to work on this theme everywhere. This means that now I am concentrating on contacting people who could help me writing myself some kind of logbook of what I did, who I contacted and who answered. (and this means at least one e-mail for every single language). What would be quite urgent for proof reading "jobs" and for special requests for single translations is a list of people we can ask for certain language combinations. Example: English-Dutch: Gerard English-German: myself English-Italian: myself, my former business partner German-Italian: myself, my former business partner Italian-German: myself, my former business partner English-Turkish: Funda English-Bulgarian: Stanislav English-Azerbaijani: Metin (of course including e-mail addresses) If we had a list like this made of only wikipedians/wiktionarists we could send them a short mail without long explanations inserting the link together with the language combination to check - they go there and just do it and answer with "OK" as soon as it is done - so we don't need to check if it has been done and if we did not receive an answer within X hours/days we can send the same request to another person of the list. In addition to those people who know how to work with wikis we should think about a second list of people, outside wiktionary - they can then try to insert things (and ask for help on how to do this) and this would lead to new users and contributors or they just can send amendments to be made by mail to the person who made the request (sometimes it would be hard for someone to make amendments if the request e.g. is English-Hindi and the amendment should be made on the Italian wiktionary). Even this, over the time will result in more people contributing as sooner or later these people will ask how to work directly as we give value to them and their expertise. But: these people should at least have the possibilty to show that they are contributors for wiktionary - maybe adding them to a list online. I am trying to do this for the Christmas project here: http://it.wiktionary.org/wiki/Utente:SabineCretella/Ringraziamenti And if possible I would like to add a link to their homepage if you agree - since they contribute (of course only if they would like to add the link themselves). Anyway I will create the list for myself if we don't want to do this "for all" as I see it as the only reliable way to ask for help if we create small subprojects. People can only contribute if they know where their help is needed. Of course there will be always those who come online, check the last changes and add some parts, add new words etc. - and they are of course more than welcome. But sometimes there is the need to contact single persons to have checked things out and I find it a better way to ask single persons instead of bothering many many people who potentially are not interested through a mailing list. So now my request: who on this list would be available for checks/requests for single words in which language combination(s)? I need your help for the Christmas terms and a second subproject I already prepared offline some time ago (I'll start adding this later on - all this depends on other work to be done). btw.: I just created a separate e-mail address for wiktionary - I am going to use that one for term requests in order to have everything that concerns terminology in one subfolder: wiktionary(a)wesolveitnet.com - it will be available in approx two hours. I know that basically what I wrote here is quite a lot of work (I am doing it right now) but there's no alternative for now - we don't have a database - we have wikis. Comments, help, ideas are highly welcome. Ciao, Sabine -- Sabine Cretella s.cretella(a)wordsandmore.it Phone: +39-340-18098278 Skype: callto://sabinecretella Meetingplace for translators www.wesolveitnet.com

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Some errors in nl: ?
by Yann Forget 06 Nov '04

06 Nov '04

Hi, I think I found some errors in the Dutch Wiktionary (wrong language): * http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/Catalee (not Marathi) * http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/Мухши (not Tamil) * http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/Catal_Ke (not Bihari) * http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/Denmark (not Malayalam) * http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/air (not Malayalam) * http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ingraji (not Marathi) Yann -- http://www.non-violence.org/ | Site collaboratif sur la non-violence http://www.forget-me.net/ | Alternatives sur le Net http://fr.wikipedia.org/ | Encyclopédie libre http://www.forget-me.net/pro/ | Formations et services Linux

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sq wiktionary is off capitalisation
by Gerard Meijssen 04 Nov '04

04 Nov '04

Hoi, The sq: or Albanian wiktionary has just been changed off capitalisation of the first character of a new article. Thanks, Gerard

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What to do when a language is not in the current ISO 639 code
by Gerard Meijssen 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

Hoi, There are many languages that are not in the ISO 639 codes. There were suggestions of using the ethnologue codes for these. As there is also a ISO 639-4 code, I think it would suggest that we use this one in stead for use within wiktionary. ISO-639-4 is currently in the RFC state (request for comment). Thanks, GerardM

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some language codes
by Gerard Meijssen 03 Nov '04

03 Nov '04

tkl; Tokelau chp; Chipewyan I have a user who likes to have MORE language codes, these are some of his crop. Thanks, GerardM

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{{-sound-}} template should be {{sound}}
by Gerard Meijssen 01 Nov '04

01 Nov '04

Hoi, Sabine told me that the -sound- template was not well named as it is not a header. She is absolutely right it should be {{sound}}. I am in the process of fixing this. Thanks, Gerard

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