Hi, I've started a discussion at svwiki about registering the address www.wikipedia.se (.se is the primary domain of Sweden), but it's currently owned by someone, and it will probably cost money to buy it. I have not contacted the person who owns it yet, but I'm checking if there's any way this could be financed by Wikimedia? I also see that for example www.wikipedia.de, www.wikipedia.no and www.wikipedia.pl already exists.
I think registering the .se address would increase traffic to the Swedish Wikipedia, since many today probably believe there is only an English version of it, and I don't know, but I suspect that traffic to svwiki is relatively low, at least we have pretty few editors.
Is there any possibility this could be done?
Thank you!
Andreas
I don't agree with this move. I think that Wikipedia.se should be a portal with links to the Swedish, Finnish, and Sami Wikipedias because they are all languages of Sweden.
Mark
On 17/01/06, Andreas Vilén andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I've started a discussion at svwiki about registering the address www.wikipedia.se (.se is the primary domain of Sweden), but it's currently owned by someone, and it will probably cost money to buy it. I have not contacted the person who owns it yet, but I'm checking if there's any way this could be financed by Wikimedia? I also see that for example www.wikipedia.de, www.wikipedia.no and www.wikipedia.pl already exists.
I think registering the .se address would increase traffic to the Swedish Wikipedia, since many today probably believe there is only an English version of it, and I don't know, but I suspect that traffic to svwiki is relatively low, at least we have pretty few editors.
Is there any possibility this could be done?
Thank you!
Andreas _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
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On 17/01/06, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
I don't agree with this move. I think that Wikipedia.se should be a portal with links to the Swedish, Finnish, and Sami Wikipedias because they are all languages of Sweden.
This is what was done with wikimedia.org.uk and .co.uk - though, oddly, not with wikipedia.co.uk and .org.uk, which both redirect to en.wiki. Their choice of the six languages to list is a little odd, though - sco. has about 1300 pages, whereas gv. has under 20!
-- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
This is what was done with wikimedia.org.uk and .co.uk - though, oddly, not with wikipedia.co.uk and .org.uk, which both redirect to en.wiki. Their choice of the six languages to list is a little odd, though - sco. has about 1300 pages, whereas gv. has under 20!
There was never a decision to exclude sco. The Scots Wikipedia didn't exist until June 2005. I created what became the portal in September 2004 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Portal.png. Which reminds me... I just randomly pasted in text from the intro on various Wikipedias and as far as I know, it has never been checked by a native speaker. It was meant as a demo, not something which would really become wikimedia.co.uk. :)
This would be better as the Wikipedia portal, not Wikimedia one, since it's excluding the rest of the projects and saying nothing about the Wikimedia UK chapter.
Angela.
On 1/17/06, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
This would be better as the Wikipedia portal, not Wikimedia one, since it's excluding the rest of the projects and saying nothing about the Wikimedia UK chapter.
I presume wikimedia.org.uk will become the website of the WMFUK chapter, not just a portal including it, along the lines of www.wikimedia.fr
-- Sam
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On 1/17/06, Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
This would be better as the Wikipedia portal, not Wikimedia one, since it's excluding the rest of the projects and saying nothing about the Wikimedia UK chapter.
I presume wikimedia.org.uk will become the website of the WMFUK chapter, not just a portal including it, along the lines of www.wikimedia.fr
That is the intent, yes.
Yours, - -- James D. Forrester Wikimedia : [[W:en:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] E-Mail : james@jdforrester.org IM (MSN) : jamesdforrester@hotmail.com
In that case you could add the romani and jiddish wikis and remove the sv. wiki since Swedish is not an official language of Sweden but those are... The point is, of course, that the majority of the Swedish inhabitants speak Swedish, and when they go to an .se address they assume to find content in Swedish. I guess most Swedish finns would go to www.wikipedia.fi (which links directly to fiwiki, when Swedish has shared official status with Finnish in Finland) if they searched for content in Finnish.
All top domains I search for are redirects to their country's primary language, I don't see why www.wikipedia.se shouldn't. In fact, since wikipedia.fi is, that would be pure discrimination. Especially since Swedish is far more widespread in Finland than Finnish is in Sweden.
But this wasn't really the point of the discussion. The point is: is is possible to finance the purchase of the domain name?
/Andreas On 1/17/06, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
I don't agree with this move. I think that Wikipedia.se should be a portal with links to the Swedish, Finnish, and Sami Wikipedias because they are all languages of Sweden.
Mark
On 17/01/06, Andreas Vilén andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I've started a discussion at svwiki about registering the address www.wikipedia.se (.se is the primary domain of Sweden), but it's currently owned by someone, and it will probably cost money to buy it. I have not contacted the person who owns it yet, but I'm checking if there's any way this could be financed by Wikimedia? I also see that for example www.wikipedia.de, www.wikipedia.no and www.wikipedia.pl already exists.
I think registering the .se address would increase traffic to the Swedish Wikipedia, since many today probably believe there is only an English version of it, and I don't know, but I suspect that traffic to svwiki is relatively low, at least we have pretty few editors.
Is there any possibility this could be done?
Thank you!
Andreas _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
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"Andreas Vilén" andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote in message news:cb099c010601180538p372b1ef3q1d762142d2ab1196@mail.gmail.com... [snip]
All top domains I search for are redirects to their country's primary language, I don't see why www.wikipedia.se shouldn't. In fact, since wikipedia.fi is, that would be pure discrimination. Especially since Swedish is far more widespread in Finland than Finnish is in Sweden.
Maybe they should therefore be updated to provide proper portal facilities...unless there's a chapter in that country in which case surely they ought to be doing something with "their site"?
This is taking NPOV to the extreme... 99% of all people living in Sweden except to get to a site in Swedish when they go to a website with the ending .se, probably most Swedish Finns would go to www.wikipedia.se (and surely not sv.wikipedia.org) if they wanted to find Wikipedia in Swedish, not www.wikipedia.fi. But as I have said numerous times, this is another discussion.
The question is: "Is it possible to get Wikimedia to pay for the domain name www.wikipedia.se?"
/Andreas On 1/18/06, Phil Boswell phil.boswell@gmail.com wrote:
"Andreas Vilén" andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote in message news:cb099c010601180538p372b1ef3q1d762142d2ab1196@mail.gmail.com... [snip]
All top domains I search for are redirects to their country's primary language, I don't see why www.wikipedia.se shouldn't. In fact, since wikipedia.fi is, that would be pure discrimination. Especially since Swedish is far more widespread in Finland than Finnish is in Sweden.
Maybe they should therefore be updated to provide proper portal facilities...unless there's a chapter in that country in which case surely they ought to be doing something with "their site"? -- Phil [[en:User:Phil Boswell]]
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I don't think they would if you had it redirect to the Swedish Wikipedia. Wikipedia is for languages, not countries.
Please see, for example, http://www.wikipedia.ch or http://www.wikipedia.dk or http://wikimedia.co.uk
Mark
On 18/01/06, Andreas Vilén andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote:
This is taking NPOV to the extreme... 99% of all people living in Sweden except to get to a site in Swedish when they go to a website with the ending .se, probably most Swedish Finns would go to www.wikipedia.se (and surely not sv.wikipedia.org) if they wanted to find Wikipedia in Swedish, not www.wikipedia.fi. But as I have said numerous times, this is another discussion.
The question is: "Is it possible to get Wikimedia to pay for the domain name www.wikipedia.se?"
/Andreas On 1/18/06, Phil Boswell phil.boswell@gmail.com wrote:
"Andreas Vilén" andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote in message news:cb099c010601180538p372b1ef3q1d762142d2ab1196@mail.gmail.com... [snip]
All top domains I search for are redirects to their country's primary language, I don't see why www.wikipedia.se shouldn't. In fact, since wikipedia.fi is, that would be pure discrimination. Especially since Swedish is far more widespread in Finland than Finnish is in Sweden.
Maybe they should therefore be updated to provide proper portal facilities...unless there's a chapter in that country in which case surely they ought to be doing something with "their site"? -- Phil [[en:User:Phil Boswell]]
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"Mark Williamson" node.ue@gmail.com wrote in message news:849f98ed0601190006r61ddd914g@mail.gmail.com... [snip]
Please see, for example, http://wikimedia.co.uk
As opposed to http://wikipedia.co.uk which redirects to :en:
...
HTH HAND
The difference is that Switzerland and Denmark have several common languages for different geographical locations (as well as Finland as I have pointed out... Why aren't www.wikipedia.fi or www.wikipedia.co.uk portals?) To force www.wikipedia.se to be a portal to Swedish and then all the minority languages of Sweden is just absurd.
/Andreas
On 1/19/06, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think they would if you had it redirect to the Swedish Wikipedia. Wikipedia is for languages, not countries.
Please see, for example, http://www.wikipedia.ch or http://www.wikipedia.dk or http://wikimedia.co.uk
Mark
On 18/01/06, Andreas Vilén andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote:
This is taking NPOV to the extreme... 99% of all people living in Sweden except to get to a site in Swedish when they go to a website with the ending .se, probably most Swedish Finns would go to www.wikipedia.se (and surely not sv.wikipedia.org) if they wanted to find Wikipedia in Swedish, not www.wikipedia.fi. But as I have said numerous times, this is another discussion.
The question is: "Is it possible to get Wikimedia to pay for the domain name www.wikipedia.se?"
/Andreas On 1/18/06, Phil Boswell phil.boswell@gmail.com wrote:
"Andreas Vilén" andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote in message news:cb099c010601180538p372b1ef3q1d762142d2ab1196@mail.gmail.com... [snip]
All top domains I search for are redirects to their country's primary language, I don't see why www.wikipedia.se shouldn't. In fact, since wikipedia.fi is, that would be pure discrimination. Especially since Swedish is far more widespread in Finland than Finnish is in Sweden.
Maybe they should therefore be updated to provide proper portal facilities...unless there's a chapter in that country in which case surely they ought to be doing something with "their site"? -- Phil [[en:User:Phil Boswell]]
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Switzerland, yes; Denmark, no. Yes, Faroese and Greenlandic are "regional languages" of the Kingdom of Denmark, but they are spoken only by tiny percentages of the population.
Greenland, Iceland, and the Faroes also have their own domain names -- using YOUR logic, Greenlandic should only be at www.wikipedia.gl, Icelandic at www.wikipedia.is, and Faroese at www.wikipedia.fo
And yet, the people tending to the portal cared enough to protect those minorities by including them. Despite the fact that the Greenlandic Wikipedia only has about a dozen articles, and each of them has their own domain name.
Sámi doesn't have it's own domain though...
And yes, wikipedia.fi should be a portal. But who pays for it? Not the Foundation.
I think that if the FOundation pays for your domain, you should have a portal for ALL of the langauges of Sweden. If you pay for it yourself though, it's up to you.
Mark
On 19/01/06, Andreas Vilén andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote:
The difference is that Switzerland and Denmark have several common languages for different geographical locations (as well as Finland as I have pointed out... Why aren't www.wikipedia.fi or www.wikipedia.co.uk portals?) To force www.wikipedia.se to be a portal to Swedish and then all the minority languages of Sweden is just absurd.
/Andreas
On 1/19/06, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think they would if you had it redirect to the Swedish Wikipedia. Wikipedia is for languages, not countries.
Please see, for example, http://www.wikipedia.ch or http://www.wikipedia.dk or http://wikimedia.co.uk
Mark
On 18/01/06, Andreas Vilén andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote:
This is taking NPOV to the extreme... 99% of all people living in Sweden except to get to a site in Swedish when they go to a website with the ending .se, probably most Swedish Finns would go to www.wikipedia.se (and surely not sv.wikipedia.org) if they wanted to find Wikipedia in Swedish, not www.wikipedia.fi. But as I have said numerous times, this is another discussion.
The question is: "Is it possible to get Wikimedia to pay for the domain name www.wikipedia.se?"
/Andreas On 1/18/06, Phil Boswell phil.boswell@gmail.com wrote:
"Andreas Vilén" andreas.vilen@gmail.com wrote in message news:cb099c010601180538p372b1ef3q1d762142d2ab1196@mail.gmail.com... [snip]
All top domains I search for are redirects to their country's primary language, I don't see why www.wikipedia.se shouldn't. In fact, since wikipedia.fi is, that would be pure discrimination. Especially since Swedish is far more widespread in Finland than Finnish is in Sweden.
Maybe they should therefore be updated to provide proper portal facilities...unless there's a chapter in that country in which case surely they ought to be doing something with "their site"? -- Phil [[en:User:Phil Boswell]]
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Andreas Vilén escribió:
Hi, I've started a discussion at svwiki about registering the address www.wikipedia.se (.se is the primary domain of Sweden), but it's currently owned by someone, and it will probably cost money to buy it. I have not contacted the person who owns it yet, but I'm checking if there's any way this could be financed by Wikimedia? I also see that for example www.wikipedia.de, www.wikipedia.no and www.wikipedia.pl already exists.
It might work if www.wikipedia.se redirects to sv.wikipedia.org and chapter.wikipedia.se to the Swedish chapter. If there is no Swedish chapter, well, it might be time to create one. You can also have fi.wikipedia.se and se.wikipedia.se redirecting to the respective languages... or even better: (www.)wikipedia.se/wiki --> sv.wikipedia.org/wiki (www.)wikipedia.se/fi --> fi.wikipedia.org/wiki (www.)wikipedia.se/se --> se.wikipedia.org/wiki (www.)wikipedia.se/chapter --> chapter.wikipedia.se ... well, something like that.
I think registering the .se address would increase traffic to the Swedish Wikipedia, since many today probably believe there is only an English version of it, and I don't know, but I suspect that traffic to svwiki is relatively low, at least we have pretty few editors.
Is there any possibility this could be done?
Through the Swedish chapter, sure.
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