Could somebody block this troll from this list? What he just wrote does not even merit reply.
-- mav
--- Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, come on.
For the entire history of Bomis from day one until the current day, the percentage of revenue that comes from adult businesses has been under 10%. The bulk of the revenue of Bomis today comes from advertising syndicated from Google; in the past it was at various times Overture and NBCi which provided the bulk of the revenue.
"Under 10%" is code language for "Over 5%". Bomis is easily "legitimised" by adding tonnes of search-engine sponsored results, directory type stuff, syndicated adds, and the like, just to 'balance out' the pornographic content.
Many pornographic websites which are more explicitly pornographic than Bomis also have a search engine/syndicated advertising 'front', from which they derive the majority of their revenue, but...
Far from being a "secret", Bomis is a public website that anyone can look at anytime they like. If Bomis is pornography so is much of what happens in R rated movies.
I never said Bomis was a secret. I simply said that the fact that Bomis peddles pornography, and that the history of Wikipedia is intricately intertwined with Bomis, is kept a secret of sorts. Read the Wikipedia articles on the issue, you will not see much mention of pornography, but go to #wikipedia on freenode and you will hear a much different story.
And I remind you that in many R-rated movies, there are... well, you can find that information at Wikipedia.
Bomis _is_ a brand which is very different from the Wikipedia brand, which is why I have always insisted on keeping the two very separate.
Yes, but is not Bomis the ultimate origin of Nupedia which is the ultimate origin of Wikipedia? You have said many things in this discussion confirming that Nupedia and at first Wikipedia were both Bomis projects. Sure, there was never a sign posted at Wikipedia that said "Come Buy Porn from Bomis!", but the fact that much of the funding for Wikipedia comes directly or indirectly (ie, through you and other donors who profit from Bomis) from a business which makes "less than 10%" of its revenue through pornography.
So while in your mind they may be very seperate, this is not something that everybody follows along with, similar to your delusion that you aren't a sort of god-king but rather just a sort of "amicus vicipaedii" who is respected so much people tend to do what you say. I hope that eventually you will catch on to the reality of the issue - what real people actually really think, their real motivations rather than those you imagine for them, and that what people think and what you would like people to think are often very different.
Mark
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You've written things before that don't merit reply, does that make you blockable? Not really.
Anyhow, perhaps before calling me a troll again you should take a look at the sequence of events: I make a passing remark, Jimbo makes a long-winded objection, and in a private e-mail says "this is simply not true and I ... strongly urge you not to say things that you don't know about ... I'm shocked at your behavior" as if I had just said that Wikipedia were founded by terrorists.
You act as if my message was the first in the thread, but in reality I was defending my original - and very short - message against Jimbo's accusations that it's totally false and that I don't know what I'm talking about.
As Anthere notes, she brings it up in all interviews. That must mean that it's at least somewhat significant, in her mind, to the history of the organisation, or at least that it's better to divulge everything before somebody asks embarassing questions. Jimbo however seems to take the opposite stance - Bomis isn't really involved in Wikipedia, and even then Bomis is mostly just a search engine, and the porn is just a little footnote which nobody really notices or which isn't really important.
Mark
On 22/04/05, Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
Could somebody block this troll from this list? What he just wrote does not even merit reply.
-- mav
--- Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, come on.
For the entire history of Bomis from day one until the current day, the percentage of revenue that comes from adult businesses has been under 10%. The bulk of the revenue of Bomis today comes from advertising syndicated from Google; in the past it was at various times Overture and NBCi which provided the bulk of the revenue.
"Under 10%" is code language for "Over 5%". Bomis is easily "legitimised" by adding tonnes of search-engine sponsored results, directory type stuff, syndicated adds, and the like, just to 'balance out' the pornographic content.
Many pornographic websites which are more explicitly pornographic than Bomis also have a search engine/syndicated advertising 'front', from which they derive the majority of their revenue, but...
Far from being a "secret", Bomis is a public website that anyone can look at anytime they like. If Bomis is pornography so is much of what happens in R rated movies.
I never said Bomis was a secret. I simply said that the fact that Bomis peddles pornography, and that the history of Wikipedia is intricately intertwined with Bomis, is kept a secret of sorts. Read the Wikipedia articles on the issue, you will not see much mention of pornography, but go to #wikipedia on freenode and you will hear a much different story.
And I remind you that in many R-rated movies, there are... well, you can find that information at Wikipedia.
Bomis _is_ a brand which is very different from the Wikipedia brand, which is why I have always insisted on keeping the two very separate.
Yes, but is not Bomis the ultimate origin of Nupedia which is the ultimate origin of Wikipedia? You have said many things in this discussion confirming that Nupedia and at first Wikipedia were both Bomis projects. Sure, there was never a sign posted at Wikipedia that said "Come Buy Porn from Bomis!", but the fact that much of the funding for Wikipedia comes directly or indirectly (ie, through you and other donors who profit from Bomis) from a business which makes "less than 10%" of its revenue through pornography.
So while in your mind they may be very seperate, this is not something that everybody follows along with, similar to your delusion that you aren't a sort of god-king but rather just a sort of "amicus vicipaedii" who is respected so much people tend to do what you say. I hope that eventually you will catch on to the reality of the issue - what real people actually really think, their real motivations rather than those you imagine for them, and that what people think and what you would like people to think are often very different.
Mark
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On Fri, 22 Apr 2005, Mark Williamson wrote:
Anyhow, perhaps before calling me a troll again you should take a look at the sequence of events: I make a passing remark, Jimbo makes a long-winded objection, and in a private e-mail says "this is simply not true and I ... strongly urge you not to say things that you don't know about ... I'm shocked at your behavior" as if I had just said that Wikipedia were founded by terrorists.
Guys, let's cool down, OK? Who cares what Bomis was doing in 2001 or what it's doing now. This is the wikipedia list.
Yeah, the initial money came from Bomis. Well, it had to come from somewhere.
Alfio
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