Please visit the website, and report bugs and request any *really* essential features.
For all I know, we should go live with this ASAP. Maybe all of the outstanding issues are so minor that we can easily live with them, and that we'd all benefit more from having the new software running than from aiming for an impossible perfection.
On this, Jimbo, Magnus, and I want and need your input!
So I'd like to ask the list: *are* there any outstanding issues that are so important that we just *have* to have them fixed before we move to the new software? This could be very important, so I hope those of you who care about this will give it some thought.
Larry
Larry Sanger wrote:
For all I know, we should go live with this ASAP. Maybe all of the outstanding issues are so minor that we can easily live with them, and that we'd all benefit more from having the new software running than from aiming for an impossible perfection.
My current thinking, just so everyone knows, is that unless we see any "showstoppers" that must be fixed before we move, and unless those "showstoppers" are so difficult that we can't fix them before Monday, we will go live with this on the English Wikipedia on Monday.
At that time, http://test.wikipedia.com/ will be reborn as the new copy of http://pl.wikipedia.com/, and we'll make sure that their issues are taken care of -- in a portable way.
After that, and I hope that will only take a couple of days really, we will probably do Esperanto next -- it might not be as active as German or Spanish, I'm not sure, but Brion Vibber is good at internationalization issues, and Esperanto raises some special issues that we will want to solve ASAP.
For all the inactive wikis, we'll just "blindly" import the data, but with confidence that it will be o.k., because we have other languages working, and take it from there.
--Jimbo
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Larry Sanger wrote:
For all I know, we should go live with this ASAP. Maybe all of the outstanding issues are so minor that we can easily live with them, and that we'd all benefit more from having the new software running than from aiming for an impossible perfection.
My current thinking, just so everyone knows, is that unless we see any "showstoppers" that must be fixed before we move, and unless those "showstoppers" are so difficult that we can't fix them before Monday, we will go live with this on the English Wikipedia on Monday.
At that time, http://test.wikipedia.com/ will be reborn as the new copy of http://pl.wikipedia.com/, and we'll make sure that their issues are taken care of -- in a portable way.
After that, and I hope that will only take a couple of days really, we will probably do Esperanto next -- it might not be as active as German or Spanish, I'm not sure, but Brion Vibber is good at internationalization issues, and Esperanto raises some special issues that we will want to solve ASAP.
For all the inactive wikis, we'll just "blindly" import the data, but with confidence that it will be o.k., because we have other languages working, and take it from there.
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On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Larry Sanger wrote:
So I'd like to ask the list: *are* there any outstanding issues that are so important that we just *have* to have them fixed before we move to the new software? This could be very important, so I hope those of you who care about this will give it some thought.
To answer my own question, right now, there's only one really bad problem. There are problems to fix, but nothing that should stop us from moving forward.
The really bad problem is that there is no easy way to go back to reedit redirected pages. For example, suppose that for any reason I want to edit "philisophy" (which redirects to "philosophy"). When I go to
http://test.wikipedia.com/wiki.phtml?title=Philisophy
the URL doesn't change, but I see the "philosophy" article. If I press the "edit this page" link, I arrive at
http://test.wikipedia.com/wiki.phtml?action=edit&title=Philosophy
So, if I want to edit the "philisophy" redirection page, I have to change the latter URL to
http://test.wikipedia.com/wiki.phtml?action=edit&title=Philosophy
and only then can I do it!
This might or might not be related to the problem that
http://meta.wikipedia.com/wiki.phtml?title=Larry_Sanger/Columns
isn't redirecting.
My own personal top priorities, though, are as follow (drawn from http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/fpw/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Bugs ):
(1) I'd like to turn off the section numbering. Does anyone like it? I don't. I'd rather not have my sections numbered--I'd like to have the choice, anyway. Sometimes, I have just one heading at the top of a pages; that shouldn't be numbered "#1". This sort of thing is better done by humans, not made automatic, IMO.
(2) This one: "The script parses an ending period as part of an external link. e.g. http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Recent_Changes. It should probably ignore final periods. --Stephen Gilbert"
(3) This one: "There's no "Talk" functionality for user pages." There should be talk functionality for all namespaces. I also agree with this: 'I think what would work is for each namespace (such as "user:" or "Wikipedia:") there will automatically be a related talk namespace (such as "user talk:" or "Wikipedia talk:"). That would resolve the issue, though perhaps the need for this points out a flaw in the current design."
(4) This one (if it hasn't been fixed yet): "The script just missed an edit conflict, and claimed "Your page Wikipedia:Bugs was successfully saved!" when in fact it saved the "Added \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" revision."
(5) This one :-( : "I cannot simply hit the back button in my browser, after I have saved a page, and make another change to the page. I do that all the time in UseModWiki, but I can't do it on PediaWiki because I get into an edit conflict with myself."
(6) This: "Other namespaces : Talk" is just confusing to about 99% of users. This should be changed to something like "Discuss changes to this article: Talk".
(7) Finish the list of the new features. http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/fpw/wiki.phtml?title=wikipedia:New+features
(8) The parser doesn't work as expected here: http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/fpw/wiki.phtml?title=Mathematics
I think that's it!
Others might have other priorities, but I think the above would really cause significant frustration for a significant number of people. But just frustration, that's all.
Larry
Someone just shot down both test.wikipedia.com and meta.wikipedia.com.
Meanwhile, let's go through these:
The really bad problem is that there is no easy way to go back to reedit redirected pages. For example, suppose that for any reason I want to edit "philisophy" (which redirects to "philosophy").
Easy. At the top of the screen, when viewing the redirected "Philosophy" article, there's a line starting with "Watch this article...". At the end of this line, there's a text "(redirected from Philispohy)". Click on the link, and you go to the edit page of the article containing the redirect.
This might or might not be related to the problem that
http://meta.wikipedia.com/wiki.phtml?title=Larry_Sanger/Columns
isn't redirecting.
The tarball I have doesn't have a redirect there. I can't check test.wikipedia.com, because it is offline.
My own personal top priorities, though, are as follow (drawn from http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/fpw/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Bugs ):
(1) I'd like to turn off the section numbering. Does anyone like it? I don't. I'd rather not have my sections numbered--I'd like to have the choice, anyway. Sometimes, I have just one heading at the top of a pages; that shouldn't be numbered "#1". This sort of thing is better done by humans, not made automatic, IMO.
You can turn it off in your user preferences. I'll change it to be off by default for new users.
(2) This one: "The script parses an ending period as part of an external link. e.g. http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Recent_Changes. It should probably ignore final periods. --Stephen Gilbert"
I know, I know... I couldn't figure our how to do that with a single regular expression search&replace - yet!
(3) This one: "There's no "Talk" functionality for user pages." There should be talk functionality for all namespaces. I also agree with this: 'I think what would work is for each namespace (such as "user:" or "Wikipedia:") there will automatically be a related talk namespace (such as "user talk:" or "Wikipedia talk:"). That would resolve the issue, though perhaps the need for this points out a flaw in the current design."
But there is! Exactly as requested! Boy, that was easy...
(4) This one (if it hasn't been fixed yet): "The script just missed an edit conflict, and claimed "Your page Wikipedia:Bugs was successfully saved!" when in fact it saved the "Added \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\" revision."
I think that's a weird one, and probably outdated as well. Tell me if this still applies.
(5) This one :-( : "I cannot simply hit the back button in my browser, after I have saved a page, and make another change to the page. I do that all the time in UseModWiki, but I can't do it on PediaWiki because I get into an edit conflict with myself."
OK, for now, do this: Back button, then reload (just hit F5 in most browsers). Should work then. I struggled with this for quite some time, and I hope once we get a bomis CVS repository, I'll get some help ;)
(6) This: "Other namespaces : Talk" is just confusing to about 99% of users. This should be changed to something like "Discuss changes to this article: Talk".
Well, if there's an article "foo", a "Talk:foo" page, a "wikipedia:foo" page and a "user:foo" (or even more!), they all get listed there. It's not just for talk. Just look at the sidebar, no misleading titles there ;)
(7) Finish the list of the new features.
http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/fpw/wiki.phtml?title=wikipedia:New+features
As most new features are visible (and usable), this can be filled in by others as well. It's wikipedia, after all! ;)
(8) The parser doesn't work as expected here: http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/fpw/wiki.phtml?title=Mathematics
Oh, test.wikipedia.com is online a gain! I just fixed the mathematics bug. It was on the page. Don't type a backslash at the end of a line, the script takes it for something else... (This won't become the most common error in the wiki, I guess...)
I just uploaded the "default: no header numbering" version to the sourceforge site. I also reversed the buggy changes I made there to support other languages. This needs a different approach.
Don't worry, I saved the real bugs for the Monday change :]
Magnus
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