Jimmy Wales wrote:
For us, we have nothing like a 'transaction', but the system could be generalized from that. Each person could assign positive or negative feedback to others.
...
- Difficult to game -- it is NOT automated, so there's no way to
game the system by engaging in repetitive actions to score points.
On the contrary it's very easy to game: create a bunch of sock puppet accounts to give each other feedback. On E-Bay you'd have to go to the trouble of faking some auctions to yourself, but not here...
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Jimmy Wales wrote:
For us, we have nothing like a 'transaction', but the system could be generalized from that. Each person could assign positive or negative feedback to others.
...
- Difficult to game -- it is NOT automated, so there's no way to
game the system by engaging in repetitive actions to score points.
On the contrary it's very easy to game: create a bunch of sock puppet accounts to give each other feedback. On E-Bay you'd have to go to the trouble of faking some auctions to yourself, but not here...
Of course there would be listing fees at eBay. And there would alwys be the risk that you might be outbid by someone who didn't realize that you weren't selling anything. :-)
Ec
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Brion Vibber wrote:
For us, we have nothing like a 'transaction', but the system could be generalized from that. Each person could assign positive or negative feedback to others.
...
- Difficult to game -- it is NOT automated, so there's no way to
game the system by engaging in repetitive actions to score points.
On the contrary it's very easy to game: create a bunch of sock puppet accounts to give each other feedback. On E-Bay you'd have to go to the trouble of faking some auctions to yourself, but not here...
If you do it properly, it's not this easy. Look at advogato - they use a rating system where close to half the users can be fake, and they still won't get credit. Instead of simple cross ratings, they use a network, and calculate from that.
(I'm against ratings on Wikipedia.)
-- Daniel
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004, Hr. Daniel Mikkelsen wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004, Brion Vibber wrote:
For us, we have nothing like a 'transaction', but the system could be generalized from that. Each person could assign positive or negative feedback to others.
...
- Difficult to game -- it is NOT automated, so there's no way to
game the system by engaging in repetitive actions to score points.
On the contrary it's very easy to game: create a bunch of sock puppet accounts to give each other feedback. On E-Bay you'd have to go to the trouble of faking some auctions to yourself, but not here...
If you do it properly, it's not this easy. Look at advogato - they use a rating system where close to half the users can be fake, and they still won't get credit. Instead of simple cross ratings, they use a network, and calculate from that.
(I'm against ratings on Wikipedia.)
Here's a link describing how the trust metric at advogato works:
http://www.advogato.org/trust-metric.html
-- Daniel
I wrote:
- Difficult to game -- it is NOT automated, so there's no way to
game the system by engaging in repetitive actions to score points.
Brion Vibber wrote:
On the contrary it's very easy to game: create a bunch of sock puppet accounts to give each other feedback. On E-Bay you'd have to go to the trouble of faking some auctions to yourself, but not here...
That's a good point, but I think there are easy ways to deal with it.
I do agree, absolutely, that for any proposed system, dealing with the prevention of gaming behavior is essential.
1. The giving of feedback could be reserved to those who have gotten at least 3 or 5 or whatever independent feedbacks. If you're so new that you haven't been noticed...
2. The giving of feedback could be reserved to those who have been around for more than X number of days, say 7, perhaps.
3. Roundabout systems can help to a degree -- if feedback from trusted users counts more than feedback from untrusted users, it makes it more difficult to get a 'sock puppet circle' off the ground.
But of course your point is well-taken. We absolutely don't want to encourage the creation of sockpuppet accounts. That's just stupid and annoying.
--Jimbo
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