Hoi, There is a growing movement where people restore images and recordings and make them part of both featured articles, sounds and pictures. They restore pictures and fyi this involves a lot of work. This project that is centred around the "Not the Wikipedia News" people, is looking for material that helps in making the effort not as USA centred. The best way forward is in making the group of people involved bigger; this is done by reaching out to other projects and sharing the expertise gained.

When museums make their material public, the public can become involved in the restauration of the material. Key here is the license of the material involved; the work is not done for free when this means that it cannot be used / shared. Also the quality of the digitised material has to be really good.

While I do expect that people will get involved, I do not see that an integral job of such resources are to be expected. I think it great when the cherries get picked. Thanks, GerardM

So YES, a great idea.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.comwrote:

Hello,

A couple of weeks ago, I went to an event organized in Paris by the Fren ch Government about "economics of culture". During that event, I mentionned that the French chapter has several ongoing discussions with various museums to set up content partnerships.

Here are two examples of such potential partnerships:

• a small museum with very old and precious documents. The museum has

limited room for access and documents are fragile, so only a few visitors are allowed to look at them. The museum wants to digitize these docs, but has limited technical infrastructure. Opportunity: we host their documents on wikisource and provide them additional visibility through an article on Wikipedia, featuring their best manuscripts.

• a large museum already has a digitization procedure for the documents,

as well as a hosting service. However, the digitized version contains mistakes (errors generated in the process) and the museum simply does not have the human power to provide the corrections of the numerous documents digitized by their services. Our members can take care of this task.

Wikisources members know all that very well and much better than I. I just summarize that very quickly for reference.

In Europe, at least in some countries, we meet several problems

• many scholars have a rather bad image of Wikipedia (because written by

amateurs, anonymous members, plagued by vandals etc...)

• the other wikimedia projects have rather poor popularity and would

benefit from more "light"

• journalists are bored and need new information (otherwise, they focus

on all the bad stories)

• some projects are more difficult to advertise than others, because

they are full competitors with other commercial projects of very good quality (eg, wiktionary, wikinews...)

Besides, my feeling is that contributors and in particular members from chapters need a project on which they can team.

I would like to propose that next year be Wikisource year.

And since the planet is very large, if this is done in large part through chapters, that it be an opportunity for some european chapters to work together.

I am not necessarily thinking of anything very complicated. Examples of efforts we could make together:

• leaflets about wikisource updated and available in a large number of

languages;

• webbuttons to advertise the project on the web;
• each time someone gives a conference about Wikipedia, take the

opportunity to spend a couple of minutes of Wikisource as well; distribute leaflets;

• summarize our best cases on Wikisource;
• develop stories about these best cases. Illustrate. Feature these

stories on chapter websites;

• develop initiatives on projects for cross project challenges (eg, best

article with content improved in at least 3 projects);

• chapters may write and distribute a couple of press releases about

wikisource;

• chapters may propose conferences about wikisource (and speakers

available to talk about it);

• develop arguments for museums etc...

Measures of success are numerous, from improvements of Wikisource (number of docs), number of mentions in the press, partnerships established with museums etc...

What do you think ?

Ant

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Florence Devouard wrote:

A couple of weeks ago, I went to an event organized in Paris by the French Government about "economics of culture". During that event, I mentionned that the French chapter has several ongoing discussions with various museums to set up content partnerships.

Here are two examples of such potential partnerships:

• a small museum with very old and precious documents. The museum has

limited room for access and documents are fragile, so only a few visitors are allowed to look at them. The museum wants to digitize these docs, but has limited technical infrastructure. Opportunity: we host their documents on wikisource and provide them additional visibility through an article on Wikipedia, featuring their best manuscripts.

• a large museum already has a digitization procedure for the documents,

as well as a hosting service. However, the digitized version contains mistakes (errors generated in the process) and the museum simply does not have the human power to provide the corrections of the numerous documents digitized by their services. Our members can take care of this task.

This is probably more about archives than about museums, but the problems for museums regarding three-dimensional objects is just as severe, as Raoul Weiller has been keen to point out at the last two Wikimanias. Lars makes a good point about distinguishing between preservation and access digitization, but I think that capital-intensive preservation strategies are well beyond our capabilities. Wikimedia works best when it can marshal large quantities of free labour to altruistic purposes; the kind of people whom we attract are properly annoyed with capitalist profiteering that depends on our free labour. It comes as no surprise that they intuitively support non-commercial clauses in free licenses.

Your two examples present startlingly different circumstances. In the first example it is up to the archives to provide the leadership, while acknowledging that providing the needed manpower exclusively through professional personnel is well beyond their limited budgets. At the same time they are repeatedly the beneficiaries of acquisitions which they can neither properly process or store. The recent story of the Royal Ontario Museum rediscovering a Tyranosaurus skeleton that had been misplaced for decades gives us pause to wonder. The type of artifacts that concern us are much smaller, and consequently easier to misplace. Museums need to engage in volunteer training programmes so that volunteers can better take on more specialized and more responsible tasks. If they believe that they will some day receive budgets adequate to the task, they have been breathing too many fumes from evaporating artifacts. They also need to make collections accessible to qualified volunteers for longer hours than the regular opening hours of the museums.

The second example is more within our grasp. Proofreading is a tedious process, and we should never deceive ourselves into believing that the task can be handled by spell-checkers or other software based techniques. In addition, since Wikisource likes to host whole books or multi-volume reference works there is a tendency to upload this material from other sources without any thought of checking the material for accuracy. This means that material which clearly falls within the scope of Wikisource grows at a phenomenal rate when compared to its verification rate. Image files are only one part of the solution. They provide the basis for the verification, but not the verification itself.

Wikisources members know all that very well and much better than I. I just summarize that very quickly for reference.

In Europe, at least in some countries, we meet several problems

• many scholars have a rather bad image of Wikipedia (because written by

amateurs, anonymous members, plagued by vandals etc...)

• the other wikimedia projects have rather poor popularity and would

benefit from more "light"

• journalists are bored and need new information (otherwise, they focus

on all the bad stories)

• some projects are more difficult to advertise than others, because

they are full competitors with other commercial projects of very good quality (eg, wiktionary, wikinews...)

I don't see the problem as one of publicity at all. It's a matter of recruiting people who are satisfied doing humble tasks. Such people do not want to participate in complex decision making processes; they are completely confused if they need to deal with anything but the most elementary of wiki markup; when faced with any conflict they just go away. They are often older, and sensitive to disrespectful behaviour.

Besides, my feeling is that contributors and in particular members from chapters need a project on which they can team.

That's worth considering. In theory at least chapter leadership is in a better position to understand the priorities of national governments. Chapters that host Wikisource sites themselves can better adapt to laws that restrict the export of charitable donations.

I would like to propose that next year be Wikisource year.

How can this be best co-ordinated with the Wikimania programme?

And since the planet is very large, if this is done in large part through chapters, that it be an opportunity for some european chapters to work together.

An EU super-chapter? :-\ Appealing to nationalism could be more fruitful.

I am not necessarily thinking of anything very complicated. Examples of efforts we could make together:

• leaflets about wikisource updated and available in a large number of

languages;

• webbuttons to advertise the project on the web;
• each time someone gives a conference about Wikipedia, take the

opportunity to spend a couple of minutes of Wikisource as well; distribute leaflets;

• summarize our best cases on Wikisource;
• develop stories about these best cases. Illustrate. Feature these

stories on chapter websites;

• develop initiatives on projects for cross project challenges (eg, best

article with content improved in at least 3 projects);

• chapters may write and distribute a couple of press releases about

wikisource;

• chapters may propose conferences about wikisource (and speakers

available to talk about it);

• develop arguments for museums etc...

Measures of success are numerous, from improvements of Wikisource (number of docs), number of mentions in the press, partnerships established with museums etc...

What do you think ?

Who is the target audience for all this? How much of this will appeal to seniors?

Ec