Hi Mark!

My basic concern was that we should take a "step by step" approach here because the Sinitic issue is such a tricky one. The issue has revolved in circles for quite a while and so I'm happy we have reached a point where this poll can take place. The more languages we talk about the less unambiguous the result. Once Cantonese and Wu are launched one could start a new poll on further idioms.

Boris

wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org schrieb am 17.08.05 00:07:17:

You're quite right Boris what it says.

I'd forgotten.

But, I do not think we should ignore it if people vote explicitly for the creation of further Sinitic Wikipedias, such as Hakka, Classical Chinese, or even others which have not been contemplated much such as Jin or Gan.

However, it certainly makes sense that unless people make it explicit that they support or oppose more than just the exact proposal, we should count them as supporting (or opposing) Cantonese [immediate] and Wu [near future] only.

Cheers Mark

On 16/08/05, Boris Lohnzweiger BorisLohnzweiger@web.de wrote:

The poll is surely a step in the right direction but the voting itself really is a bit obsure. When I cast my vote - having read the instructions twice - I was pretty sure to ballot only on Cantonese (creation "right away") and Wu (creation "in the near future"). The way I got it the poll was not supposed to make a decision on any other Sinitic languages ("not exclude the possibility of Wikipedias in other Sinitic languages", i. e. a neutral attitude). Now, however, some users extend their vote to other languages. IMHO we should only count votes for Cantonese and Wu here.

Boris

wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org schrieb am 16.08.05 03:47:29:

Hi all,

The current results of the poll on Sinitic linguistic policy at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal_for_Sinitic_linguistic_policy :

25 support - 6 oppose (overall)

Some people expressed support or lack thereof for other Sinitic-language Wikipedias, mostly Wu, Hakka, and Classical Chinese.

The voting instructions say that if you only want to support one of them, but not the others, you should note it with your vote.

I don't know if people followed these instructions exactly, but if they did:

One person explicitly supported Cantonese and Wu but didn't support Hakka, making the balance for Hakka:

24 support - 7 oppose.

One person who voted in the "oppose" section, noted that although they are opposed to Wikipedias in Cantonese, Wu, and Hakka, they support a Wikipedia in Classical Chinese.

I would like to close with a quote from that page from Jogloran, which to me indicates the true nessecity for these Wikipedias:

"And one more thing. My mother tongue is Cantonese, not Mandarin, not 'Chinese', but specifically Cantonese. When I read through the sample articles in Cantonese linked above, I was struck by how much clearer it was to my mind. When I read a text written in standard language, it takes a little longer for the exact meaning to become apparent."

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