On Saturday 07 September 2002 06:05 am, you wrote:
I didn't know that certain policy pages were frozen. What was the reasoning behind it?
Stephen Gilbert
Because policy cannot be changed without some kind of consensus first.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
On Sun, 2002-09-08 at 00:58, Daniel Mayer wrote:
On Saturday 07 September 2002 06:05 am, you wrote:
I didn't know that certain policy pages were frozen. What was the reasoning behind it?
Stephen Gilbert
Because policy cannot be changed without some kind of consensus first.
Or to put it cynically, so that the policy cannot be changed (in the WikiWay).
A fuller explanation of the reasoning has to do with the history of the creation of the Meta site, and the development of contentious policy pages such as those on entry deletion and the definition of Wikipedia vandalism, during LMS's reign.
--tc
--- The Cunctator cunctator@kband.com wrote:
A fuller explanation of the reasoning has to do with the history of the creation of the Meta site, and the development of contentious policy pages such as those on entry deletion and the definition of Wikipedia vandalism, during LMS's reign.
Yes, I'm aware of the history; I simply don't recall any discussion on freezing those pages. Obviously I missed it. For the record, I think it's a bad idea.
Stephen Gilbert
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Stephen Gilbert wrote:
--- The Cunctator cunctator@kband.com wrote:
A fuller explanation of the reasoning has to do with the history of the creation of the Meta site, and the development of contentious policy pages such as those on entry deletion and the definition of Wikipedia vandalism, during LMS's reign.
Yes, I'm aware of the history; I simply don't recall any discussion on freezing those pages. Obviously I missed it. For the record, I think it's a bad idea.
Stephen Gilbert
Several new approaches, some sweeping and some more incremental, have been proposed to help slow down or cool off controversy that appears to have gotten too heated.
Perhaps new approaches could be tested on these few policy pages to see if they are helpful in allowing the community at large (occasional contributors as well as mailing list regulars) to reach a broad consensus on incremental policy or presentation changes.
Regards, Mike Irwin
--- Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday 07 September 2002 06:05 am, you wrote:
I didn't know that certain policy pages were
frozen.
What was the reasoning behind it?
Stephen Gilbert
Because policy cannot be changed without some kind of consensus first.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Yes, but that doesn't explain why a sysop has to be the person who makes any agreed upon changes. Also, freezing these pages bars people from copyediting and linking.
Stephen Gilbert
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Stephen Gilbert wrote:
--- Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
On Saturday 07 September 2002 06:05 am, you wrote:
I didn't know that certain policy pages were
frozen.
What was the reasoning behind it?
Stephen Gilbert
Because policy cannot be changed without some kind of consensus first.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Yes, but that doesn't explain why a sysop has to be the person who makes any agreed upon changes. Also, freezing these pages bars people from copyediting and linking.
The OBVIOUS reason behind it is that these are basic help-type pages that a newbie has no reason to need or want to change. If they have something to say they can do it on the related talk page. It just simplifies things a bit to have them protected... and it's not like there are any shortage of sysops around to make any necessary changes, especially since anyone who REALLY wants to be one just has to ask and they can be a sysop too.
--- Karen AKA Kajikit kaji@labyrinth.net.au wrote:
Stephen Gilbert wrote:
Yes, but that doesn't explain why a sysop has to
be
the person who makes any agreed upon changes.
Also,
freezing these pages bars people from copyediting
and
linking.
The OBVIOUS reason behind it is that these are basic help-type pages that a newbie has no reason to need or want to change.
Grammar corrections, typos and linking are three reasons that someone might want to change the pages.
If they have something to say they can do it on the related talk page. It just simplifies things a bit to have them protected... and it's not like there are any shortage of sysops around to make any necessary changes, especially since anyone who REALLY wants to be one just has to ask and they can be a sysop too.
I don't recall ever having a problem with people changing policies unilaterally, so I guess I don't see any good reason to have these pages frozen. I do, however, see some problems with it.
Stephen Gilbert
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