[Wikipedia-l] Re:Culte, cult, secte, sect Brion Vibber brion at pobox.com Sun Aug 31 02:50:32 UTC 2003
Anthere wrote:
It usually refer to groups which practice some of the following, mental manipulation, power centralization in the hands of a guru or a small group of people, with a pyramidal organisation,
[[There is no Cabal]] ...
with money exactions,
[[Wikipedia:Donations]] ?
and a doctrine that can not be disputed.
[[Wikipedia:Neutral point of view]] !
;)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
LOL, yes !!!
You forgot
* rather new (he, less than 3 years) * rather small number of members (eh, less than 10 000 certainly qualify) * dangerous for their members (eh, wikipediholism) * power in hands of one : Jimbo, or a small group : eh the sysops
HELP !!!!!
WITHOUT NOTICING, I BECAME MEMBER OF A "SECTE" !!!!!!
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Hello, Can we have a [[Wikipedia:Preferences]] page that will be the header of the [[Special:Preferences]] page ? (like [[Wikipedia:RecentChanges]] and [[Special:RecentChanges]]). In fact it may be very cool if all [[Special:xxx]] started with an include of [[Wikipedia:xxx]]. It may be very useful especially for localize (no-english Wikipedia) specification to add explication and links. How?
Aoineko
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Guillaume Blanchard wrote:
Can we have a [[Wikipedia:Preferences]] page that will be the header of the [[Special:Preferences]] page ? (like [[Wikipedia:RecentChanges]] and [[Special:RecentChanges]]). In fact it may be very cool if all [[Special:xxx]] started with an include of [[Wikipedia:xxx]]. It may be very useful especially for localize (no-english Wikipedia) specification to add explication and links. How?
Tim Starling's been working on some experimental code whereby various additional things can be made like this.
Another possibility is to make [[Special:xxx]] just appear a little more like a normal page; that is, there would be an "edit this page" link by which you can edit the header text.
So instead of a separate [[Wikipedia:Recentchanges]] to find and maintain, you'd just go to [[Special:Recentchanges]] and hit edit in the usual fashion. A [[Special talk:xxx]] namespace to go with it would be useful too.
(Technical note: currently Special: is given numeric code -1; if we were storing such pages in the database this would interfere with some code that deals with non-talk vs talk pages as being even/odd-numbered. Reassigning it to the next available positive integer (8?) shouldn't interfere with anything.)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Yes, have a editable [[Special:xxx]] and a talk page may be very useful !
Aoineko
----- Original Message ----- From: "Brion Vibber" brion@pobox.com To: wikipedia-l@Wikipedia.org; wikitech-l@Wikipedia.org Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Preferences
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Guillaume Blanchard wrote:
Can we have a [[Wikipedia:Preferences]] page that will be the header of
the
[[Special:Preferences]] page ? (like [[Wikipedia:RecentChanges]] and [[Special:RecentChanges]]). In fact it may be very cool if all [[Special:xxx]] started with an
include
of [[Wikipedia:xxx]]. It may be very useful especially for localize (no-english Wikipedia) specification to add explication and links. How?
Tim Starling's been working on some experimental code whereby various additional things can be made like this.
Another possibility is to make [[Special:xxx]] just appear a little more like a normal page; that is, there would be an "edit this page" link by which you can edit the header text.
So instead of a separate [[Wikipedia:Recentchanges]] to find and maintain, you'd just go to [[Special:Recentchanges]] and hit edit in the usual fashion. A [[Special talk:xxx]] namespace to go with it would be useful too.
(Technical note: currently Special: is given numeric code -1; if we were storing such pages in the database this would interfere with some code that deals with non-talk vs talk pages as being even/odd-numbered. Reassigning it to the next available positive integer (8?) shouldn't interfere with anything.)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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Brion Vibber wrote:
(Technical note: currently Special: is given numeric code -1; if we were storing such pages in the database this would interfere with some code that deals with non-talk vs talk pages as being even/odd-numbered. Reassigning it to the next available positive integer (8?) shouldn't interfere with anything.)
Why not leave cur_title as "Special:XXX", and the whole thing in article namespace?
Magnus
Magnus Manske wrote:
Brion Vibber wrote:
(Technical note: currently Special: is given numeric code -1; if we were storing such pages in the database this would interfere with some code that deals with non-talk vs talk pages as being even/odd-numbered. Reassigning it to the next available positive integer (8?) shouldn't interfere with anything.)
Why not leave cur_title as "Special:XXX", and the whole thing in article namespace?
Er, because then they'd be counted as articles?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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Guillaume Blanchard wrote:
Can we have a [[Wikipedia:Preferences]] page that will be the header of
the
[[Special:Preferences]] page ? (like [[Wikipedia:RecentChanges]] and [[Special:RecentChanges]]). In fact it may be very cool if all [[Special:xxx]] started with an
include
of [[Wikipedia:xxx]]. It may be very useful especially for localize (no-english Wikipedia) specification to add explication and links. How?
Tim Starling's been working on some experimental code whereby various additional things can be made like this.
Another possibility is to make [[Special:xxx]] just appear a little more like a normal page; that is, there would be an "edit this page" link by which you can edit the header text.
So instead of a separate [[Wikipedia:Recentchanges]] to find and maintain, you'd just go to [[Special:Recentchanges]] and hit edit in the usual fashion. A [[Special talk:xxx]] namespace to go with it would be useful too.
(Technical note: currently Special: is given numeric code -1; if we were storing such pages in the database this would interfere with some code that deals with non-talk vs talk pages as being even/odd-numbered. Reassigning it to the next available positive integer (8?) shouldn't interfere with anything.)
Your way is a bit easier to use, but my way is a bit more general. The thing about special pages is that they often have several messages -- for example Special:Userlogin has the form where you type in your details, a message for new users, a message for existing users, etc. Also, my scheme could be used for things like page deletion, where there is no special page. Perhaps there's a way we can combine the best of both schemes. I'll think about it.
Maybe I'll do some more work on this once I've finished with the other few things I'm doing at the moment.
-- Tim Starling.
Brion Vibber wrote in part:
Another possibility is to make [[Special:xxx]] just appear a little more like a normal page; that is, there would be an "edit this page" link by which you can edit the header text.
This is what I would find most natural and convenient.
-- Toby
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Guillaume Blanchard (Aoineko) wrote:
Hello, Can we have a [[Wikipedia:Preferences]] page that will be the header of the [[Special:Preferences]] page ? (like [[Wikipedia:RecentChanges]] and [[Special:RecentChanges]]). In fact it may be very cool if all [[Special:xxx]] started with an include of [[Wikipedia:xxx]]. It may be very useful especially for localize (no-english Wikipedia) specification to add explication and links. How?
Localizing is still possible, although the process is slower, by changing the LanguageXx.php file; the text you are writing about for example can be found in the "prefslogintext". In fact, Danish, English, Dutch and Polish have already taken the step of adding a link to a page explaining the various options there.
Andre Engels
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