Thanks for the translation Bernd, very interesting.
The German press release has been really succesful, large articles in major newspapers, several TV shows. I wonder why we don't hear any stories like this from other Wikipedias. Has the press release really gone unnoticed eveywhere else?
Erik Zachte
Erik[2]-
The German press release has been really succesful,
It's not just the press release. The Focus and SZ articles were before that, but all within roughly the same timeframe. In fact the SPIEGEL Online article even used a quote from my SZ article. Basically it was very good timing: Those who considered also doing something about us because of the recent media flurry now had a good reason to do so.
And it's still going on. Now the reports become more detailed and specialized, such as a TV computer show report this week which will actually go into the matter of article quality.
The other reason I see is that the German world wide web is a bunch of crap, and everyone knows that we're one of the best things that have happened to it in the last 5 years ;-)
Regards,
Erik
Erik Moeller wrote:
The other reason I see is that the German world wide web is a bunch of crap, and everyone knows that we're one of the best things that have happened to it in the last 5 years ;-)
Perhaps this is one of the bigger differences... I've had trouble convincing people that Wikipedia is all that useful, because they just think "well, I could google for this", and chances are they'd get something back, maybe even something good. Now obviously we're better than just googling for an answer, and every day we're getting even better, but many English-speaking people are used to being able to find answers to most of their questions online anyway through some searching, and there is indeed a lot of stuff already out there, so it takes some more convincing to show them that Wikipedia really *is* different (and better) than what's already there.
-Mark
Delirium wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
The other reason I see is that the German world wide web is a bunch of crap, and everyone knows that we're one of the best things that have happened to it in the last 5 years ;-)
Perhaps this is one of the bigger differences... I've had trouble convincing people that Wikipedia is all that useful, because they just think "well, I could google for this", and chances are they'd get something back, maybe even something good. Now obviously we're better than just googling for an answer, and every day we're getting even better, but many English-speaking people are used to being able to find answers to most of their questions online anyway through some searching, and there is indeed a lot of stuff already out there, so it takes some more convincing to show them that Wikipedia really *is* different (and better) than what's already there.
One possible hook is to pick apart a Google result or two, show how often 90-95% of the results are bogus sites just trying to sell you something. Small towns in the US are an example - just try to find the town's home page or date of founding amongst all the "fine motels in Smallville, Nebraska", and "real estate opportunities in Smallville, Nebraska". Official websites rarely include anything about the more sordid parts of a organization's or person's career, and random informational websites don't have the cross-linking for lookup, nor any review mechanisms to get the obvious factual errors fixed.
Might be amusing to set up an informal "advertising department" with pages that compare Wikipedia's better articles to the other web pages point-by-point. I've seen WP "win" dozens of times for instance, but have no place to note them down, so they can be waved at the skeptical.
Stan
Delirium wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
The other reason I see is that the German world wide web is a bunch of crap, and everyone knows that we're one of the best things that have happened to it in the last 5 years ;-)
Perhaps this is one of the bigger differences... I've had trouble convincing people that Wikipedia is all that useful, because they just think "well, I could google for this", and chances are they'd get something back, maybe even something good. Now obviously we're better than just googling for an answer, and every day we're getting even better, but many English-speaking people are used to being able to find answers to most of their questions online anyway through some searching, and there is indeed a lot of stuff already out there, so it takes some more convincing to show them that Wikipedia really *is* different (and better) than what's already there.
What convinces them is when Googling produces a Wikipedia article. :-P That happens more and more frequently.
Ec
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