This is one where setting a good example is useless, because it isn't noticed. I send email in plain text, and people still insist on responding in HTML with settings like black-on-dark-gray. They don't realize that plain text is a choice made for good reasons.
Black-on-dark-gray is, simply, not readable by this human being (who is already wearing bifocal lenses). If it's your easiest way to read, set your computer display to that--then you can read my messages as is easiest for you, and I can still read yours.
In the meantime, if I seem to be ignoring you, it's because you have taken extra effort to make your messages opaque, and I'm tired of taking the effort to undo it.
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:
This is one where setting a good example is useless, because it isn't noticed. I send email in plain text, and people still insist on responding in HTML with settings like black-on-dark-gray. They don't realize that plain text is a choice made for good reasons.
There's also two other possibilities: They don't know that they're sending HTML, or they don't know how to change it. I have the second problem at my home email - I noticed that it has options as to what size and lettertype to send my email in, which I do not want at all. I just want to send and receive plain text.
You might try doing as I do here, and search for a text-only email client. Most HTML email consists actually of a double sending, once as plain text and once as HTML. Emails that have only an HTML version are usually just spam.
Andre Engels
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 03:06:04PM +0100, Andre Engels wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:
This is one where setting a good example is useless, because it isn't noticed. I send email in plain text, and people still insist on responding in HTML with settings like black-on-dark-gray. They don't realize that plain text is a choice made for good reasons.
There's also two other possibilities: They don't know that they're sending HTML, or they don't know how to change it.
Outlook Express 5 - Tools,Options,Send,"Mail Sending Format" - "Plain Text",OK
Outlook 2000 - Tools,Options,"Mail Format","Send in this message format" - "Plain Text"
If you're using something else, I'm sure somebody else can help...
Black-on-dark-gray is, simply, not readable by this human being (who is already wearing bifocal lenses). If it's your easiest way to read, set
your
computer display to that--then you can read my messages as is easiest for you, and
I can
still read yours.
Ive sent my latest dozen in Plain text. I dont know if its of me you speak, because Ive ceased doing that. My text isnt black either.
I should explain: my global settings are very dark grey background and light grey text...Its been proven to be better for reading, because its far less screen radiation... easier on the eyes. I cant stand a white background and wont put up with it anymore, as well as low refresh rates.. CRT's even nice ones like mine put out too damn much light.. -SV
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 08:46, Stevertigo wrote:
Black-on-dark-gray is, simply, not readable by this human being
Ive sent my latest dozen in Plain text. I dont know if its of me you speak, because Ive ceased doing that.
You've sent a dozen messages since 8:35 pm last night?
My text isnt black either.
I'm afraid it is. It may not be displaying as black in your e-mail client, but because your HTML mails specify a background color and not a foreground color ("<BODY bgColor=#282828>"), for most people the text will display with the default foreground color of *black*.
Does anyone know of a nice html-mail stripping filter that we could run on messages being sent through the lists?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Does anyone know of a nice html-mail stripping filter that we could run on messages being sent through the lists?
A first approximation that we (meaning you) could program directly would be to catch all MIME-types of multipart/alternative and strip them to the most plaintext alternative given. This would have dealt with Stevertigo's posts in particular, since he was sending both text/plain and text/html combined into a multi-part/alternative post.
-- Toby
Vicki Rosenzweig wrote:
Black-on-dark-gray is, simply, not readable by this human being (who is already wearing bifocal lenses). If it's your easiest way to read, set your computer display to that--then you can read my messages as is easiest for you, and I can still read yours.
I've seen these things from Steve, and they only appear on the occasional one of his many posts without apparent pattern. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt about the intentionality of this.
I've found that the easiest way to read them has been to use the "reply" icon. This opens it up in an edit screen that I can delete after I've read the message.
Eclecticology
While we are on the subject of e-mail formats, does anyone know why I get Brion and Jonathan's messages to this list as attachments?
Regards,
sannse
On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 10:01, sannse wrote:
While we are on the subject of e-mail formats, does anyone know why I get Brion and Jonathan's messages to this list as attachments?
These messages are cryptographically signed with PGP/GnuPG. (You may note that mails I send from my university address are not currently signed, but those I send from home are.)
The signatures may show up as attachments in many mailers, but the message contents themselves oughtn't...
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion wrote:
These messages are cryptographically signed with PGP/GnuPG. (You may
note that mails I send from my university address are not currently signed, but those I send from home are.)
The signatures may show up as attachments in many mailers, but the
message contents themselves oughtn't...
"sannse" skribis:
While we are on the subject of e-mail formats, does anyone know why I get Brion and Jonathan's messages to this list as attachments?
They are sended PGP-signed (multipart/signed), and your Mail/Newsreader doesn't know how to handle this. (My one also doesn't.)
I help myself by pressing Ctrl-F3, if I'm curious what is in it.
Paul
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