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Anthere wrote:
I suggest that a browser check be added, and that on all browsers where it is not working, it be disabled. It is *very bad* to let such bugs in an application, with the claim it is to help people when it will just do the opposite. Please, keep it for other browsers (because it is a *neat* feature, but disable it in our browser). Respect variety. Please do not punish minorities browsers users by degrading the way the application works for them. And please no one answer that this browser is old, and should not exist at all. That might have been true on my old (favorite) Opera 5, but Netscape 7 is recent.
Exactly! I wrote essentially the same thing on the English Village pump several hours ago.
There is really no big deal in wiki editing.
Yep. The whole point of wiki is to make mark-up fast and easy. Having a half-broken edit tool bar just causes confusion, however. Best then to leave it out entirely for any browser that can't take full advantage of it.
-- mav
Daniel-
Yep. The whole point of wiki is to make mark-up fast and easy. Having a half-broken edit tool bar
It's not the edit toolbar that is broken, it's the browser. Netscape 7 is based on an old Mozilla codebase. The problem is that older versions of Mozilla than the 1.3 codebase do not support the selectionStart/ selectionEnd properties which are necessary to get and change a text selection.
Unfortunately there's no way for us to test whether the browser supports selectionStart/selectionEnd, as these are properties of the <textarea> element, which doesn't even exist at the time we do the checking. So right now the behavior is like this:
1) For Netscape and IE, change the selection when the user clicks a button.
2) For all other browsers, show a sample text in an info box, which can be copy and pasted.
Unfortunately 1) leads to problems in old versions of Netscape. That is an unsatisfactory situation and I am *not* suggesting to turn on the toolbar with this problem still in place.
Now there are two ways to deal with the Netscape compatibility problems:
1) Only support selection change in Internet Explorer. This is very easy to do, but will discriminate against users of Mozilla >=1.3 (including myself), inasmuch as they don't get the maximum functionality they could get.
2) Support selection change in Internet Explorer and *new* versions of Netscape Navigator.
I'm inclined to go with option 2), but some further testing might be needed until it's ironed out in all browsers. Until then, the toolbar will *not* be turned on by default.
Regards,
Erik
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