You Wrote:
I fight to keep things open, not to tolerate anti-social behaviour, but to keep Wikipedia from becoming the online equivalent of a police state. I believe that soft security is the best way to run a wiki community, and that too much hard security will eventaully kill us.
If we lock down Wikipedia too tighly, we'll lose *most* of our great contributors.
Stephen G.
I agree with this. Just for the record, I don't intend to ban people for name-calling or even being stubborn--I had that opportunity in the case of 24, and thought it was not something that should be done. I just would like to codify our expectations of what users should do: simply try to treat each other with respect. Give each other the benefit of the doubt. Avoid personal attacks.
I do think this is very important. Not everyone has been on the net long; and it's quite easy when first starting online to miss the fact that there are people at a monitor somewhere reading what you just wrote. Online newbies flame a lot without thinking; wikipedia newbies do it a lot too. Let's just make it explicit and encourage people not to.
Let's face it: if we had always been as quick to ban as we are right now, then Larry, The Cunctator, Ed Poor, LDC, and I would all have been banned at one time or another, possibly permanently. (24 is still banned, isn't he? That was meant to be temporary). We've all been trollish, disrespectful, and/or stubborn at one time or another for various reasons. But look: Larry has contributed some fine philosophy articles and was crucial in codifying NPOV; The Cunctator has contributed fine articles on the Sept. 11 attacks and is this list's consciensce; Ed is now a diplomat extraordinaire; Lee is an excellent coder and a workhorse who's also written some first-rate articles on poker.
What I would like is a page to encourage people to be how we want them to be, instead of punishing when they're not. Something simple & direct, e.g. [[Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot]]. I don't want to ban everyone who uploads goatse.cx or is adamant about a point of view, but I also don't want people insulting each other and leaving out of frustration. We are a community; we all have the same goals; we all have something to contribute. Let's keep the process open, and let's be as generous with others as others were with us. :-)
kq
koyaanisqatsi@nupedia.com wrote:
(24 is still banned, isn't he? That was meant to be temporary).
24.150.61.63 has been off the ban list for quite some time. (Certainly since the July upgrade wiped the slate, I'm not sure about before.)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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