I think you shall ask for other language expert for some judgement about this issue.
My english is bad so I may not have the skill to give you what I have in mind. But I think some Indonesian words is not recognized in Malay and vice versa, some recognized in both language but have different meaning. It is so difficult for making article but satisfying users from both language.
As far as I know. There is no Malay (ms) subdomain language wikisource ever requested. So there is no point why id subdomain can not be created.
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mark Williamson Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 15:53 To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] id.wikisource.org
You think, perhaps, but linguists would beg to differ.
The differences between Indonesian and Malay are mostly on the level of US vs UK differences -- minor differences of spelling, a few dozen different words...
But even most reasonable Indonesians do not believe that they truly speak a different language than Malaysians.
Are there any _true_ differences between the languages?
I think a particularly telling proof is that if I copy the text of an article from the Malay WP and run it through an Indonesian spellchecker, there are 0 mistakes. Hmm.
Mark
On 28/10/05, Stanley W stanley@e-intidata.com wrote:
There is significant difference between Indonesian and Malay language I think.
Also there is no Malay wikisource subdomain right now.
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mark Williamson Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 14:28 To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] id.wikisource.org
Here I find a second issue:
I think that Indonesian and Malay meet an equal threshhold to Serbocroatian, except that they don't have the same level of emotions attached.
So, I think there should be a single Malay and Indonesian WS.
On 28/10/05, Stanley W stanley@e-intidata.com wrote:
Hi, I hereby make a proposal for new wikisource language subdomain (id.wikisource.org) to be created.
Please verify that this proposal have meet the requirements needed.
Thanks
Stanley
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So, if Indonesian and Malay are so amazingly different, do you mean to tell me you can't read http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sawit ??
I doubt it!
Mark
On 28/10/05, Stanley W stanley@e-intidata.com wrote:
I think you shall ask for other language expert for some judgement about this issue.
My english is bad so I may not have the skill to give you what I have in mind. But I think some Indonesian words is not recognized in Malay and vice versa, some recognized in both language but have different meaning. It is so difficult for making article but satisfying users from both language.
As far as I know. There is no Malay (ms) subdomain language wikisource ever requested. So there is no point why id subdomain can not be created.
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mark Williamson Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 15:53 To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] id.wikisource.org
You think, perhaps, but linguists would beg to differ.
The differences between Indonesian and Malay are mostly on the level of US vs UK differences -- minor differences of spelling, a few dozen different words...
But even most reasonable Indonesians do not believe that they truly speak a different language than Malaysians.
Are there any _true_ differences between the languages?
I think a particularly telling proof is that if I copy the text of an article from the Malay WP and run it through an Indonesian spellchecker, there are 0 mistakes. Hmm.
Mark
On 28/10/05, Stanley W stanley@e-intidata.com wrote:
There is significant difference between Indonesian and Malay language I think.
Also there is no Malay wikisource subdomain right now.
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mark Williamson Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 14:28 To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] id.wikisource.org
Here I find a second issue:
I think that Indonesian and Malay meet an equal threshhold to Serbocroatian, except that they don't have the same level of emotions attached.
So, I think there should be a single Malay and Indonesian WS.
On 28/10/05, Stanley W stanley@e-intidata.com wrote:
Hi, I hereby make a proposal for new wikisource language subdomain (id.wikisource.org) to be created.
Please verify that this proposal have meet the requirements needed.
Thanks
Stanley
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