I would like to know your opinion about the creation of a Low Saxon nds.wikisource.org.
We already have a nds.wikipedia.org (two, to be more precise: nds.wikipedia.org and nds-nl.wikipedia.org), and a wiktionary at nds.wiktionary.org
We then asked for the creation of nds.wikisource.org at http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests#Domain_reques...
Several people from the nds.wikipedia.org voted in favour of this project. I then went to http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7855 to formally request the creation on November 9th, 2006. Then for some time nothing happened. In December several people from the German wikisource objected. It was only after that that somebody in bugzilla.wikimedia.org decided to care about our request. He concluded that there was no consensus and decided not to create this wikisource.
Some people from de.wikisource.org say that Low Saxon is only a dialect of German and that all our texts are welcome in their wikisource. They also want us to be included in their project due to a lack of resources.
This now is a peculiar situation: * Low Saxon is recognized as regional language: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German "Low German has been recognised by the Netherlands and by Germany (since 1999) as a regional language according to the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Within the official terminology defined in the charter, this status would not be available to a dialect of an official language (as per article 1 (a)), and hence not to Low German in Germany if it were considered a dialect of German. With the ratification of the charter at the latest, Germany would appear, therefore, to have at least implicitly adopted the stance that Low German is not a dialect of the German language." * we have a wikipedia * we have a wikitionary * we have a wikibooks * we even have a wikiquote (which we will not use due to German copyright problems with collections of quotations) * but we do not have a wikisource because some people from de.wiktionary.org managed to collect a huge number of no-votes.
I think that there should be a Low Saxon wikisource, but due to about 8 no votes of people who just want all our content to be included into their wikisource just to make theirs bigger and more beautiful, we cannot get one.
What do You think about that?
Kind regards,
Heiko Evermann
Hoi, Two things:
1. This is the wrong mailing list to ask this. foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org is the correct list. 2. The current nds.wikipedia insists on just one specific German oriented orthography. This resulted in the creation of two Wikipedias. With Wikisource, are you going to insist that material has to be in this same orthography? If so, you do not deserve imho a nds.wikisource and I would vote with the no-voters.
Thanks, GerardM
Heiko Evermann schreef:
I would like to know your opinion about the creation of a Low Saxon nds.wikisource.org.
We already have a nds.wikipedia.org (two, to be more precise: nds.wikipedia.org and nds-nl.wikipedia.org), and a wiktionary at nds.wiktionary.org
We then asked for the creation of nds.wikisource.org at http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests#Domain_reques...
Several people from the nds.wikipedia.org voted in favour of this project. I then went to http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7855 to formally request the creation on November 9th, 2006. Then for some time nothing happened. In December several people from the German wikisource objected. It was only after that that somebody in bugzilla.wikimedia.org decided to care about our request. He concluded that there was no consensus and decided not to create this wikisource.
Some people from de.wikisource.org say that Low Saxon is only a dialect of German and that all our texts are welcome in their wikisource. They also want us to be included in their project due to a lack of resources.
This now is a peculiar situation:
- Low Saxon is recognized as regional language: see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German "Low German has been recognised by the Netherlands and by Germany (since 1999) as a regional language according to the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Within the official terminology defined in the charter, this status would not be available to a dialect of an official language (as per article 1 (a)), and hence not to Low German in Germany if it were considered a dialect of German. With the ratification of the charter at the latest, Germany would appear, therefore, to have at least implicitly adopted the stance that Low German is not a dialect of the German language."
- we have a wikipedia
- we have a wikitionary
- we have a wikibooks
- we even have a wikiquote (which we will not use due to German copyright
problems with collections of quotations)
- but we do not have a wikisource because some people from de.wiktionary.org
managed to collect a huge number of no-votes.
I think that there should be a Low Saxon wikisource, but due to about 8 no votes of people who just want all our content to be included into their wikisource just to make theirs bigger and more beautiful, we cannot get one.
What do You think about that?
Kind regards,
Heiko Evermann
How about a Singlish Wikipedia and Singlish Wiktionary?
On 1/9/07, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, Two things:
- This is the wrong mailing list to ask this. foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org is the correct list.
- The current nds.wikipedia insists on just one specific German oriented orthography. This resulted in the creation of two Wikipedias. With Wikisource, are you going to insist that material has to be in this same orthography? If so, you do not deserve imho a nds.wikisource and I would vote with the no-voters.
Thanks, GerardM
Heiko Evermann schreef:
I would like to know your opinion about the creation of a Low Saxon nds.wikisource.org.
We already have a nds.wikipedia.org (two, to be more precise: nds.wikipedia.org and nds-nl.wikipedia.org), and a wiktionary at nds.wiktionary.org
We then asked for the creation of nds.wikisource.org at http://wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Language_domain_requests#Domain_reques...
Several people from the nds.wikipedia.org voted in favour of this project. I then went to http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7855 to formally request the creation on November 9th, 2006. Then for some time nothing happened. In December several people from the German wikisource objected. It was only after that that somebody in bugzilla.wikimedia.org decided to care about our request. He concluded that there was no consensus and decided not to create this wikisource.
Some people from de.wikisource.org say that Low Saxon is only a dialect of German and that all our texts are welcome in their wikisource. They also want us to be included in their project due to a lack of resources.
This now is a peculiar situation:
- Low Saxon is recognized as regional language: see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German "Low German has been recognised by the Netherlands and by Germany (since 1999) as a regional language according to the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Within the official terminology defined in the charter, this status would not be available to a dialect of an official language (as per article 1 (a)), and hence not to Low German in Germany if it were considered a dialect of German. With the ratification of the charter at the latest, Germany would appear, therefore, to have at least implicitly adopted the stance that Low German is not a dialect of the German language."
- we have a wikipedia
- we have a wikitionary
- we have a wikibooks
- we even have a wikiquote (which we will not use due to German copyright
problems with collections of quotations)
- but we do not have a wikisource because some people from de.wiktionary.org
managed to collect a huge number of no-votes.
I think that there should be a Low Saxon wikisource, but due to about 8 no votes of people who just want all our content to be included into their wikisource just to make theirs bigger and more beautiful, we cannot get one.
What do You think about that?
Kind regards,
Heiko Evermann
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