I read messages of your proposition to change this morning before leaving for work. No time to ask anything on the french wiki. And indeed, it would have been useless. By the time I got home, it was done. ... Question : if french or dutch decide they would prefer ? rather than red, is it technically possible ?
Absolutely. Just do it yourself. I'm already about two weeks behind on changes I'd like to make to the software (having a job really gets in the way); thank goodness Brion has taken up some of the maintenance slack for me. But I don't have the time or, for that matter, much desire to deal with international wikis. The code is available to anyone. Access to the server is available to anyone who can demonstrate need and competence. Just do it.
LC, please...please...
Please, don't misinterpret my words. I have absolutely *no* wish to add to anybody's burden, be it *here* or in real life. Nor to unduly anger anybody either.
I'm sorry to hear that you are feeling pressured because two weeks behind schedule. I am aware you developpers are doing a lot of good quality work, and I hope you feel pride in feeling yourself an important link.
My question on that list was a very factual technical one, not by *any* means a request or an order for anybody to comply to. Whatever my wishes or my needs, I cannot help you for my programming skills are rather limited. I would be glad that other developpers from other wikis (french included) help with the soft development, but for sure, my can only be a wish and it happening or not is really none of my business.
My wish is not to open a war between a slightly overbearing en.wiki and a multitude of tiny childish wikis. But to raise the issue of whether minorities are granted a voice or not, whether they are allowed creativity themselves within an enlarged community or just to be nurtured in the shade. And given that minorities do not rely on the same channel of communications, asking how minorities voices could be heard.
I hope you will understand it goes slightly further than a red link issue.
This said, I think I can unfortunately consider you answered to my first question "Do we consider international wikipedias to be part of the actual wikipedia community ?" You said no. I feel very sorry about that. But it is your privilege.
I wish you a peaceful day
Anthere
lcrocker@nupedia.com wrote:> I read messages of your proposition to change this
morning before leaving for work. No time to ask anything on the french wiki. And indeed, it would have been useless. By the time I got home, it was done. ... Question : if french or dutch decide they would prefer ? rather than red, is it technically possible ?
Absolutely. Just do it yourself. I'm already about two weeks behind on changes I'd like to make to the software (having a job really gets in the way); thank goodness Brion has taken up some of the maintenance slack for me. But I don't have the time or, for that matter, much desire to deal with international wikis. The code is available to anyone. Access to the server is available to anyone who can demonstrate need and competence. Just do it.
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Anthere wrote:
My question on that list was a very factual technical one, not by *any* means a request or an order for anybody to comply to. Whatever my wishes or my needs, I cannot help you for my programming skills are rather limited. I would be glad that other developpers from other wikis (french included) help with the soft development, but for sure, my can only be a wish and it happening or not is really none of my business.
It would be pretty easy and I think quite reasonable to set that and other things up as site-specific (and ergo language-specific) configuarable defaults, just as I've for instance set the default time zone on the German wiki to match European local time since the user community is overwhelmingly in the same time zone, and it was requested.
I'll try to set some more of these things up in the near future... I'm a little behind on various things (I promised to set up a Danish test wiki and haven't done it yet, sorry!)
My wish is not to open a war between a slightly overbearing en.wiki and a multitude of tiny childish wikis. But to raise the issue of whether minorities are granted a voice or not, whether they are allowed creativity themselves within an enlarged community or just to be nurtured in the shade. And given that minorities do not rely on the same channel of communications, asking how minorities voices could be heard.
I hope you will understand it goes slightly further than a red link
issue.
The more overlap there is between the active software developers and the non-English wikis, the better I think this will be. (Since by definition the developers are the ones implementing the changes to the software being discussed; everything else is just sound and fury until fingers touch the code.)
This said, I think I can unfortunately consider you answered to my first question "Do we consider international wikipedias to be part of the actual wikipedia community ?" You said no. I feel very sorry about that. But it is your privilege.
Oh, Lee's often enough equally uncaring about the users of the English wiki. :)
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