On Sunday 10 November 2002 05:01 pm, wikipedia-l-request@wikipedia.org wrote:
On 10-11-2002, Daniel Mayer wrote thusly :
Lir just made a Wikipedians page titled "Anti-American_users" which has (as the title would indicate) caused a storm of unproductive flames. Pages like this shouldn't exist because of the divisiveness they cause. They do not further our goal of creating an encyclopedia and only lead to mean spiritedness. I vote for removal. See the talk page for more.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedians/Anti-American_users
I agree with you and vote for removal too.
Is it at all possible to work out policies to discourage political POV and propaganda that is totally against the principal goals of Wikipedia ? I'd rather refrain from any hard security measures.
Regards, Kpjas.
We usually move hopelessly POV stuff to Meta. I vote for moving ALL the Wikipedia/foo pages there (even the geographic based categories). IMO the Wikiepdians page at en.wiki should be a alphabetic list with a link to the the chronological "history" list that states when each user joined.
We needn't set-up different factions of users by having other categories. If somebody is interested then they can visit the POV-friendly Meta to find out more by following /one/ vanilla link from the Wikipedians page. I still wouldn't enjoy seeing the Anti-American page but I really couldn't complain much if it is in Meta.wiki - which is already filled with POV material.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com writes:
We usually move hopelessly POV stuff to Meta. I vote for moving ALL the Wikipedia/foo pages there (even the geographic based categories). IMO the Wikiepdians page at en.wiki should be a alphabetic list with a link to the the chronological "history" list that states when each user joined.
No, the geographical categories are really useful. If you need an information about a country specific topic, you can ask someone there, f.e. I would even suggest to add more categories. Wikipedia has become quite anonymously. I think it would be useful for example to set up pages like "people mainly interested in philosophical topics" or "music freaks". As Wikipedia grows, we will need small communities of people working in one field together instead of individuals filling up the articles.
This would be also a step towards a more efficient dealing with "content trolls", ie. people who step in, holding obscure views and imposing their agenda onto wikipedia. One of the main problems with these people is that they get away a long time with their behavior because the people who try to control are not able to judge what is rubbish and what is not.
An example: in the German wikipedia I would love to have some economy students who could at least tell which parts of the content added by our "Freiwirtschaft"-adherent to the articles about economy are mainstream view and which need to be marked as minority view.
Don't deny people this possibility to organize!
greetings, elian
On 11-11-2002, elian wrote thusly :
Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com writes:
We usually move hopelessly POV stuff to Meta. I vote for moving ALL the Wikipedia/foo pages there (even the geographic based categories). IMO the Wikiepdians page at en.wiki should be a alphabetic list with a link to the the chronological "history" list that states when each user joined.
No, the geographical categories are really useful. If you need an information about a country specific topic, you can ask someone there, f.e. I would even suggest to add more categories. Wikipedia has become quite anonymously. I think it would be useful for example to set up pages like "people mainly interested in philosophical topics" or "music freaks". As Wikipedia grows, we will need small communities of people working in one field together instead of individuals filling up the articles.
elian : The geographical categories seems quite useful and logical. I take your point. But let's admit that they are hardly ever used the way you are proposing. Wikiprojects or editor teams yes but it needs more discussion. As a side note there seems to be relatively little community spirit now in Wikipedia(s) ?
This would be also a step towards a more efficient dealing with "content trolls", ie. people who step in, holding obscure views and imposing their agenda onto wikipedia. One of the main problems with these people is that they get away a long time with their behavior because the people who try to control are not able to judge what is rubbish and what is not.
An example: in the German wikipedia I would love to have some economy students who could at least tell which parts of the content added by our "Freiwirtschaft"-adherent to the articles about economy are mainstream view and which need to be marked as minority view.
Don't deny people this possibility to organize!
Yes. It is a good idea but it should be given proper attention and suitable software tools. Perhaps phpBB forums, that Cuncatator has proposed, can be a temporary solution for further integration with Wikipedias and further customization.
Regards, Kpjas.
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