On 6/30/03 5:05 PM, "Erik Moeller" erik_moeller@gmx.de wrote:
Kurt-
maybe that's a silly question, but why don't we define a policy on interpage-anchor-linking? There may be a few instances in which it is useful (FAQ? link to "External links" section, which is always titled the same anyway?) without any drawbacks.
This whole discussion REALLY should be taking place on the wikipedia-l list.
Unilateral, unilateral.
Cunc-
Kurt-
maybe that's a silly question, but why don't we define a policy on interpage-anchor-linking? There may be a few instances in which it is useful (FAQ? link to "External links" section, which is always titled the same anyway?) without any drawbacks.
This whole discussion REALLY should be taking place on the wikipedia-l list.
It will, once people can actually try out the feature. Until then, moving it there makes little sense. It's not even on test.wikipedia.org yet.
But hey, nothing like stirring up things a little, eh?
Regards,
Erik
On 6/30/03 6:25 PM, "Erik Moeller" erik_moeller@gmx.de wrote:
Cunc-
Kurt-
maybe that's a silly question, but why don't we define a policy on interpage-anchor-linking? There may be a few instances in which it is useful (FAQ? link to "External links" section, which is always titled the same anyway?) without any drawbacks.
This whole discussion REALLY should be taking place on the wikipedia-l list.
It will, once people can actually try out the feature. Until then, moving it there makes little sense. It's not even on test.wikipedia.org yet.
But hey, nothing like stirring up things a little, eh?
If the discussion were purely technical, then yes.
But the discussion is not.
This isn't about stirring things up. It's about opening the discussion to the appropriate forum.
The Cunctator wrote:
This whole discussion REALLY should be taking place on the wikipedia-l list. Unilateral, unilateral.
So for people that haven't been reading <wikitech-L>:
You saw an announcement a few days ago that there's discussion on <wikitech-L> about implementing a category scheme in Erik's style. For the most part, that discussion hasn't impacted policy -- you may or may not like /Erik's/ style of categories, but that's what's being implemented now on that list.
However, one discussion of policy has recently come up. That's over whether to allow links from article [[Z]] to section [[#Y]] in article [[X]], through the markup "[[X#Y]]"; or whether to allow links only from the same article [[X]], through the markup "[[#Y]]".
So if you care about that (and it's generated heat before!), then go over to <wikitech-L> and read what people have said. (In particular, understand that the technically simplest coding will automatically make both sorts of links work.) Then discuss it wherever you feel is best.
-- Toby
Toby Bartels wrote:
However, one discussion of policy has recently come up. That's over whether to allow links from article [[Z]] to section [[#Y]] in article [[X]], through the markup "[[X#Y]]"; or whether to allow links only from the same article [[X]], through the markup "[[#Y]]".
We have allowed such links since nearly a year ago, but you had to make an anchor yourself by putting in some HTML tag with an 'id="anchorname"' attribute.
The discussion is whether to automatically _create_ anchors from headers, which is needed for Erik's proposed automatic table of contents generation for pages with more than three headers.
The anchor names would change if the header text is changed, so if a header is changed, a link specifically to it will end up just going to the whole article instead of that section specifically.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Brion Vibber wrote:
Toby Bartels wrote:
However, one discussion of policy has recently come up. That's over whether to allow links from article [[Z]] to section [[#Y]] in article [[X]], through the markup "[[X#Y]]"; or whether to allow links only from the same article [[X]], through the markup "[[#Y]]".
We have allowed such links since nearly a year ago, but you had to make an anchor yourself by putting in some HTML tag with an 'id="anchorname"' attribute.
We've allowed them, but only in anticipation; they weren't intended to work yet (or that wasn't publicly announced).
The discussion is whether to automatically _create_ anchors from headers, which is needed for Erik's proposed automatic table of contents generation for pages with more than three headers.
There hasn't been any controversy on <wikitech-L> over this as such; the controversy has been over whether or not we ought to now disable the [[X#Y]] links /when/ we do this.
The anchor names would change if the header text is changed, so if a header is changed, a link specifically to it will end up just going to the whole article instead of that section specifically.
For this reason (and your recent answer to my technical question), I think that we can stand to continue to allow [[X#Y]] -- especially since some wikis really want them. But individual wikis should think carefully about what the best practices in their case will be.
-- Toby
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