The Sep.11 Wikipedia (http://sep11.wikipedia.org) currently has 12 pages. The most relevant page there is "Personal experiences", which is a collection of personal accounts from the day, other than that it's mostly links to the English Wikipedia. Still we officially promote it as a sister project. I don't think that's a good idea, and it is just another Wikipedia to maintain, which means less time to work on much needed language coordination.
We could move the personal experiences to [[Talk:September 11, 2001 terrorist attack]], linked to from the main Sep. 11 page as "Personal experiences". This is similar to the way we linked to personal tributes on the victim pages as "Tributes and Comments". In both cases, this goes beyond the purposes of talk pages to be used for writing articles only, but I think in the case of major disasters, we can make an exception to this rule.
Thoughts?
Regards,
Erik
On sab, 2003-02-15 at 15:35, Erik Moeller wrote:
The Sep.11 Wikipedia (http://sep11.wikipedia.org) currently has 12 pages. The most relevant page there is "Personal experiences", which is a collection of personal accounts from the day, other than that it's mostly links to the English Wikipedia.
Its purpose was to hold the various experience and tribute pages that, it was decided, did not belong on Wikipedia proper. The Cunctator in particular wanted them preserved, and asked me if I could move a bunch of pages en masse to the newly separate wiki if given a list, to which I assented.
I never received the list, and no one seems to have put any effort into doing it manually, so the pages are still on the English Wikipedia. Bryan Derksen has just said he'll put together a new list.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
I never received the list, and no one seems to have put any effort into doing it manually, so the pages are still on the English Wikipedia. Bryan Derksen has just said he'll put together a new list.
That's great, but it should be noted that I have spent quite some time moving POV statements from the casualty pages to Talk pages. I think most of the victim pages are OK now, so I wonder if there's really any point in moving them. If there are verifiable facts - and the NY Times and others published lots of facts about the victims - we can certainly report them.
At 03:51 PM 15/02/03 -0800, Brion Vibber wrote:
I never received the list, and no one seems to have put any effort into doing it manually, so the pages are still on the English Wikipedia. Bryan Derksen has just said he'll put together a new list.
I just put a list up at [[Talk:September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack/Memorial wiki pages]], where I am sure it will either receive great controversy or complete lack of interest. :) I went through all the "casualty" pages and filtered out the people who had some other claim to fame than simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but included most of them since IMO articles about J. Random Accountant don't really belong in an encyclopedia. They'd go great on a "memorial wiki", though.
erik_moeller@gmx.de (Erik Moeller) writes:
The Sep.11 Wikipedia (http://sep11.wikipedia.org) currently has 12 pages.
Please, do not (mis)use the the wikipedia.org domain for those special purposes; those subdomains defeat the overall idea.
I wouldn't mind somehting like wiki.sep11.org, though...
Karl Eichwalder wrote:
Please, do not (mis)use the the wikipedia.org domain for those special purposes; those subdomains defeat the overall idea.
I wouldn't mind somehting like wiki.sep11.org, though...
I tend to agree. Having encyclopedic pages is important. Having tribute pages is important and valid... but not necessarily for wikipedia per se. I'd be happy to acquire and host another domain specifically for this.
In the meantime, having some of this stuff on sep11.wikipedia.org is fine for the short run -- that is, I feel no urgency about moving it -- but it's pretty clear to me that a proper memorial site _need not be NPOV_, and that therefore probably shouldn't be on a wikipedia domain.
--Jimbo
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