To Adam Williamson,
Thank you for your answer. The Communist influence went pretty deep and is indeed a complicated story. The short wiki page on American Communists was changed to Communist Party of the United States, where I added a link to : Should Communists teach in American Colleges? and a link to Hoover Institute 1999 Guilty as charged. H. Jonat
On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 00:41, Helga Hecht wrote:
To Adam Williamson,
Thank you for your answer.... H. Jonat --
Please keep article-related discussions off the list. Or, to put it another way, please keep article-related discussions on Wikipedia.
This list is only for issues about Wikipedia, not issues of content.
--tc
The Cunctator wrote:
On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 00:41, Helga Hecht wrote:
To Adam Williamson,
Thank you for your answer.... H. Jonat --
Please keep article-related discussions off the list. Or, to put it another way, please keep article-related discussions on Wikipedia.
This list is only for issues about Wikipedia, not issues of content.
For some time there was a concerted effort to get Helga on the list. This sounds too much like slamming the door in a visitor's face as she's coming in. A wide latitude would be more appropriate. Eclecticology
On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 05:41, Helga Hecht wrote:
To Adam Williamson,
Thank you for your answer. The Communist influence went pretty deep and is indeed a complicated story.
This is an academically debated point. Not to say you're wrong, it's just not agreed upon. I'll expand this page at some point, but I can only really cover the McCarthy era - does anyone have DETAILED knowledge of pre-1945 and post-1960 or thereabouts?
The short wiki page on American Communists was changed to Communist Party of the United States, where I added a link to : Should Communists teach in American Colleges? and a link to Hoover Institute 1999 Guilty as charged. H. Jonat
Everyone else - is there a Wikipedia policy on balance in external links?
The short wiki page on American Communists was changed to Communist Party of the United States, where I added a link to : Should Communists teach in American Colleges? and a link to Hoover Institute 1999 Guilty as charged. H. Jonat
Everyone else - is there a Wikipedia policy on balance in external links? -- adamw
Neutral Point of View covers that. On their face the two links look ok. Back on list of political parties there is a link to what purports to be the Communist Party website, that could be included in the article
I am by the way, the one who deleted Helga's material on infiltration of the Truman administration. It is not apparent because after deletion I redirected the article to [[Communist Party]], then someone else deleted the page Helga had made. Now apparently you (adamw) have created a page with the correct contemporay title. I believe removal of the specific material I removed was justified, although I am open to inclusion of all well researched material on activities of the Communist Party.
I have no plans to work extensively on articles about the Communist Party, but as it is a minor interest of mine I could, and certainly will if my imput looks needed. I would encourage anyone, "qualified" or not to jump in; it's an interesting subject, and any serious error can be corrected eventually.
Fred Bauder
On Mon, 2002-09-09 at 03:37, Fred Bauder wrote:
Neutral Point of View covers that. On their face the two links look ok.
I don't agree. There's nothing exactly wrong with including those links, but they're just odd as the first and only links on the page. Unfortunately I don't know of better places to link to...
Back on list of political parties there is a link to what purports to be the Communist Party website, that could be included in the article
Is it OK to have links to external pages in the main text of articles? I was under the impression they had to be contained in a separate External Links section, as is done on this page.
I am by the way, the one who deleted Helga's material on infiltration of the Truman administration. It is not apparent because after deletion I redirected the article to [[Communist Party]], then someone else deleted the page Helga had made. Now apparently you (adamw) have created a page with the correct contemporay title.
? I've not created or edited any pages on this topic, all i've done is have a look at some of Helga's stuff and sent some comments here.
Is it OK to have links to external pages in the main text of articles? I was under the impression they had to be contained in a separate External Links section, as is done on this page.
adamw
In that context where an attempt was made to find a link to the official page of each political party, it seems appropriate.
Fred
On 9 Sept 2002, Adam Williamson wrote:
Everyone else - is there a Wikipedia policy on balance in external links?
Neutral Point of View covers that. On their face the two links look ok.
I don't agree. There's nothing exactly wrong with including those links, but they're just odd as the first and only links on the page.
What's really "just odd" is that amid calls for Helga to be banned, she offers a link to an article that with minor editing would join the argument on behalf doing so:
"Out of this long and painstaking examination I have come reluctantly to the conclusion that nazi-sympathizer internet kooks should not be allowed to write Wikipedia articles. I am now convinced that a nazi- sympathizer internet kook is not a free person. Freedom, I believe is the most essential ingredient of Wikipedia and democracy."
I propose the "Communists Should Not Teach in American Colleges" link be moved to [[Censorship]] under the heading "Philosophical arguments for censorship," as its contribution to the topic of the [[Communist Party of the United States of America]] appears relatively inessential.
On 9 Sept 2002, Adam Williamson wrote:
Everyone else - is there a Wikipedia policy on balance in external links?
Neutral Point of View covers that. On their face the two links look ok.
I don't agree. There's nothing exactly wrong with including those links, but they're just odd as the first and only links on the page.
What's really "just odd" is that amid calls for Helga to be banned, she offers a link to an article that with minor editing would join the argument on behalf doing so:
"Out of this long and painstaking examination I have come reluctantly to the conclusion that nazi-sympathizer internet kooks should not be allowed to write Wikipedia articles. I am now convinced that a nazi- sympathizer internet kook is not a free person. Freedom, I believe is the most essential ingredient of Wikipedia and democracy."
I propose the "Communists Should Not Teach in American Colleges" link be moved to [[Censorship]] under the heading "Philosophical arguments for censorship," as its contribution to the topic of the [[Communist Party of the United States of America]] appears relatively inessential.
It could go there too, and possibly in an article about McCarthyism, but I think it belongs as one link among others which have a more friendly view. That sort of policy was eventually overturned by decisions of the Supreme Court, but it illustrates how a portion of the American public felt about Communists.
Fred
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