Hi,
there's a new version of the toolbar:
http://test.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Main_Page&action=edit
MAKE SURE TO CLEAR YOUR CACHE if you've tried it before. Otherwise you will get the old JavaScript code.
The main change is that in browsers which do not support changing a text selection or inserting text at the cursor (Opera and Konqueror), you now get a textbox where a sample text is shown for each function for easy copy and pasting. So instead of adding the text at the bottom, where you might not notice it, it's shown right under the toolbar.
There's also a <nowiki> button now (thanks to Dori for the image), and the toolbar should not be shown at all in any browser where JavaScript is disabled.
The scrolling bug in Mozilla is still there, but as far as I can tell, this is a Mozilla bug and there is no workaround. All other toolbars I've seen have the same problem, but in ours at least the cursor is set correctly. I consider this a minor issue and no reason to disable the toolbar in Mozilla.
Please report any problems.
Regards,
Erik
The main change is that in browsers which do not support changing a text selection or inserting text at the cursor (Opera and Konqueror), you now
Far better this way. With my Konqueror it works.
I don't have M$ Explorer. However, I think (as far as I have read) that there the buttons insert things like '''bold text''' at the cursor position. What happens, if text is selected? Does it gets overwritten with '''bold text''' or does it result in '''selected text'''? (Because the latter is what a newbie user would expect, from his/her experiences with standard word processing applications) Is that implemented/implementable?
Uli
On Jan 20, 2004, at 00:00, Ulrich Fuchs wrote:
The main change is that in browsers which do not support changing a text selection or inserting text at the cursor (Opera and Konqueror), you now
Far better this way. With my Konqueror it works.
(It uses this same behavior in Safari.)
I don't have M$ Explorer. However, I think (as far as I have read) that there the buttons insert things like '''bold text''' at the cursor position. What happens, if text is selected? Does it gets overwritten with '''bold text''' or does it result in '''selected text'''? (Because the latter is what a newbie user would expect, from his/her experiences with standard word processing applications) Is that implemented/implementable?
Yes; if text is selected when you click the button, the selected text is surrounded with the ''' markup (or whatever). It's actually kind of neat. :)
In Mozilla this works but there is a bug in Mozilla that causes the textarea to scroll up to the top if there is more text than fits at once. This is going to be extremely confusing for a newbie; if there's no workaround I've been suggesting to Erik that we just have Mozilla fall back to the other behavior (with the secondary box that shows the markup so you can look at it or cut-n-paste).
It's really _meant_ for novice users, so having it completely off by default misses the point. :) But we don't want it to be frustrating, either.
I've also found it to be somewhat problematic in Internet Explorer for Mac if the browser window is smallish, the focus changes cause things to scroll around strangely. I'm not sure what's the best course of action there.
Any other Mac users, can you try editing on test.wikipedia.org and let me know what works / doesn't work / goes wacky and crazy?
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Erik Moeller wrote:
Hi,
there's a new version of the toolbar:
http://test.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Main_Page&action=edit
Better! Too bad about the Mozilla bug, though. But I guess it is save for newbies now :-)
If we're using more JavaScript, what about a skin based on drop-down menus? Should be visually much more pleasing than out standard skin. There's a free menu "toolbox" at http://www.webdevtips.com/dropmenu/
Magnus
Good job!
Even if I don't think that Wikipedia MUST be graphical it can't reject to become so...and this one step ahead of drop down menus...very fine!
By the way, what I initially intended with proposing to think about a WP "toolbar" was meant as a BROWSER toolbar to instantly accessing WP (and some of its features) everytime and directly; and also for the purpose of enhanced usage (you know, spreading the WP idea...) in the sense of "(browsing around the www) ...oh, this is interesting, I should read something about it and - click - write a WP article...". Anyway, if the outcome is an enhanced MENU I really appreciate this way...
Mark
Erik Moeller wrote:
Hi,
there's a new version of the toolbar:
http://test.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Main_Page&action=edit
Magnus wrote:
Better! Too bad about the Mozilla bug, >though. But I guess it is save for newbies now :-)
If we're using more JavaScript, what about a skin based on drop-down menus? Should be visually much more pleasing than out standard skin. There's a free menu "toolbox" at http://www.webdevtips.com/dropmenu/
Magnus
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