Hoi. The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis. Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates just to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its projects. Several Wikis have templates to support additional languages. For the bigger projects this is no longer an issue as the templates have already been created, but for many of the smaller projects getting the Babel information implemented is a lot of work. It would be great if the time could be saved to do something that is really useful like writing articles.
At Betawiki we have been working hard to create a Babel extension. The great news of an extension is, that there is no need to do anything but implement the extension. We currently think that the software is at a state where we would like to invite the last comments leading to the implementation on all the WMF wikis.
Thanks, Gerard
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi. The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis. Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates just to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its projects.
That is of course ridiculous, only a couple of templates should be required for "box with a number in it".
-- brion
Hoi, If there was only a number in it... There is however a text in the templates in the language that is indicated, the text is RTL or LTR where applicable. Anyway, I agree with you that such a high number of templates is not really what we want. and consequently the Babel extension provides a really welcome relief. Thanks. GerardM
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Brion Vibber brion@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi. The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis. Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates
just
to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its projects.
That is of course ridiculous, only a couple of templates should be required for "box with a number in it".
-- brion
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On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Brion Vibber brion@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi. The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis. Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates just to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its projects.
That is of course ridiculous, only a couple of templates should be required for "box with a number in it".
-- brion
We try to use very few with our system on Meta-Wiki. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_language
One of my main problems with the babel extension is that I don't think it gets rid of the *huge* number of categories that need to be created (otherwise you have ugly redlinks). The system on Meta-Wiki greatly reduces the number of categories, but I've been told that the extension's developer was completely against any changes to the extension (I didn't hear it directly from him).
Hi!
Even if categories will be preserved, it easy to create them (manually or with bot) because of their regular nature. It much harder to keep template messages on different languages synchronized or update color scheme.
I think Babel extension is big advancement over existing state of things.
Eugene.
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Brion Vibber brion@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi. The Babel templates are widely used on the Wikimedia Foundation's wikis. Implementing them is a lot of work; you need more then 1000 templates just to cover the languages that the Wikimedia Foundation supports in its projects.
That is of course ridiculous, only a couple of templates should be required for "box with a number in it".
-- brion
We try to use very few with our system on Meta-Wiki. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:User_language
One of my main problems with the babel extension is that I don't think it gets rid of the *huge* number of categories that need to be created (otherwise you have ugly redlinks). The system on Meta-Wiki greatly reduces the number of categories, but I've been told that the extension's developer was completely against any changes to the extension (I didn't hear it directly from him).
-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023
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On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Eugene Zelenko eugene.zelenko@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
Even if categories will be preserved, it easy to create them (manually or with bot) because of their regular nature. It much harder to keep template messages on different languages synchronized or update color scheme.
I think Babel extension is big advancement over existing state of things.
Eugene.
Then why can't we have them both? Re-write the babel extension to fit (as was pointed out in this read) what seems the "better" way (how we're doing it on Meta). Then we would have less categories that take up un-necessary space (even if created by a bot) and a standardized way of doing things with an extension.
Jesse, why don't you just re-write the Babel extension to be more like the Meta system and get someone to upload that to SVN? :-) Name it something like "Babel 2" and include the original author in the credits? :-)
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