Before we start converting and upgrading things willy-nilly, I wanted to check on people's (ie, both the Bomis masters' and the general community's) preferences about the use of the Wikipedia name...
In the new software, certain classes of page are set off in special namespaces to distinguish them from actual encyclopedia articles: talk: for talk pages, special: for interactive functions, user: for users' personal pages, log: for automatically generated logs, and wikipedia: for meta-topics that aren't quite meta enough for the separate meta wiki -- help pages, site news, bug reporting, certain user-involved maintanence functions, etc.
For the versions in other languages, at least some of these namespaces will be translated (particularly talk: and user:). Not difficult technically, but my question is: what do we do about "wikipedia:"? Both as far as the namespace for article titles, and the giant "WIKIPEDIA" that appears at the top of every page with the new "Cologne Blue" interface.
Specific issues: * The forked Spanish group is also in the process of adopting the new software, but they're not using the "Wikipedia" name for their project. It's easy enough to provide an alternative for this and other cases with a flick of a variable in the code.
* On the Esperanto wikipedia, we often use a regularly Esperantized form of the name, changing the foreign "w" to "v" and giving it an "o" noun ending -> "Vikipedio". This is more comfortable to use -- not just referring to the EO version, but when referring in that language to Wikipedia generally -- and the 'pedia has already received web, radio, and magazine publicity under that name.
* There are fledgling wikipedias with between 1 and 17 pages for languages that natively use a non-Latin writing system: Japanese, Russian, Arabic, Hebrew, Chinese. For as long as I've been aware of it, the Japanese stub page has included a katakana-ized form of the name (roughly UiKIPIDiA) on the main page, with no appearance of the English/Roman form outside the URL.
For page headers and titles and whatnot, should we:
A) Always use the original English/Roman form "Wikipedia" even if it's uncomfortably foreign or difficult to type?
B) Always use the familiar/nativized form if there is one, so that users of each language can comfortably read and type it?
C) Use "Wikipedia" for the big page header (that's brand recognition), but familiar/nativized form for the namespace (that's going to be used in the trenches and needs to be easy for users to type in links)?
D) Other?
Personally, I'm leaning towards C.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
Hi Brion!
For page headers and titles and whatnot, should we:
A) Always use the original English/Roman form "Wikipedia" even if it's uncomfortably foreign or difficult to type?
B) Always use the familiar/nativized form if there is one, so that
users
of each language can comfortably read and type it?
C) Use "Wikipedia" for the big page header (that's brand recognition), but familiar/nativized form for the namespace (that's going to be used in the trenches and needs to be easy for users to type in links)?
D) Other?
Personally, I'm leaning towards C.
I think C makes sense. But that doesn't affect the German Wikipedia, because fortunately nobody had the idea to call it "Wikipädie" which sounds dull (Wikipädia would be an alternative).
One thing the nonprofit organisation could do is buy domains for the international wikipedias, at least the active ones. It would be nicer to promote.
Bye, Kurt
Kurt Jansson wrote:
One thing the nonprofit organisation could do is buy domains for the international wikipedias, at least the active ones. It would be nicer to promote.
Since for now the nonprofit organization is just me spending money for fun, feel free to send me domain names that should be bought. I think it's important to get them before spammers do.
--Jimbo
At 12:20 PM 5/18/02 -0700, you wrote:
Kurt Jansson wrote:
One thing the nonprofit organisation could do is buy domains for the international wikipedias, at least the active ones. It would be nicer to promote.
Since for now the nonprofit organization is just me spending money for fun, feel free to send me domain names that should be bought. I think it's important to get them before spammers do.
We can get .com, .org, and .net (and I think .fr and maybe some others) from GANDI.net for a whopping 12 euros a year; I have two domains registered there, and they seem to be both efficient and reputable (no spam, for example). This may not be the best price available, but it's pretty good.
Vicki, not associated with GANDI
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Hi Jimmy!
Kurt Jansson wrote:
One thing the nonprofit organisation could do is buy domains for the international wikipedias, at least the active ones. It would be
nicer to
promote.
Since for now the nonprofit organization is just me spending money for
fun,
:-)
feel free to send me domain names that should be bought. I think it's
important
to get them before spammers do.
That's right. www.wikipedia.de would be nice to have. I think we own .net and .org already? I don't know if the new ones like .info are of any importance.
Thanks Jimmy!
Kurt
|Kurt Jansson wrote: | | That's right. www.wikipedia.de would be nice to have. I think we own | .net and .org already? I don't know if the new ones like .info are of | any importance.
I think I mentioned this six months ago: wikipedia.info is registered by Jimmy and is still dead, i.e. it redirectes to the registrars page that tries to install spyware on your PC:-(
[[user:WojPob]]
wojtek pobratyn wrote:
|Kurt Jansson wrote: | | That's right. www.wikipedia.de would be nice to have. I think we own | .net and .org already? I don't know if the new ones like .info are of | any importance.
I think I mentioned this six months ago: wikipedia.info is registered by Jimmy and is still dead, i.e. it redirectes to the registrars page that tries to install spyware on your PC:-(
spyware? Yow. I didn't bother redirecting it, because I'm mostly just trying to keep squatters from getting it. But if the page it points to is evil, I should change it.
feel free to send me domain names that should be bought. I think
it's
important
to get them before spammers do.
That's right. www.wikipedia.de would be nice to have.
Well, the last time I checked it was still free, but now denic.de gives these infos:
Domaindaten Domainname: wikipedia.de Domaininhaber: thomas promny buckower weg 13c 14715 steckelsdorf Letzte Aktualisierung: Donnerstag, 25. April 2002
Administrativer Ansprechpartner, technischer Ansprechpartner, Zonenverwalter Name: Harrold Ursachi Kontakttyp: Person Adresse: Hesperus Ostengasse 4 Stadt: Regensburg PLZ: 93047 Land: GERMANY E-Mail: harrold_ursachi@hotmail.com
Shall I write him a nice mail and ask him to a) redirect to de.wikipedia.com b) transfer the domain to Jimmy?
What legal position do we have if he doesn't want to? Maybe he's a nice guy, but I made a google search for Thomas Promny and it seems that he owns a number of domains that he tries to sell: http://www.buythisdomain.de/domains.htm (but wikipedia.de is not mentioned there)
Kurt
Ugh.
Kurt Jansson wrote:
feel free to send me domain names that should be bought. I think
it's
important
to get them before spammers do.
That's right. www.wikipedia.de would be nice to have.
Well, the last time I checked it was still free, but now denic.de gives these infos:
Domaindaten Domainname: wikipedia.de Domaininhaber: thomas promny buckower weg 13c 14715 steckelsdorf Letzte Aktualisierung: Donnerstag, 25. April 2002
Administrativer Ansprechpartner, technischer Ansprechpartner, Zonenverwalter Name: Harrold Ursachi Kontakttyp: Person Adresse: Hesperus Ostengasse 4 Stadt: Regensburg PLZ: 93047 Land: GERMANY E-Mail: harrold_ursachi@hotmail.com
Shall I write him a nice mail and ask him to a) redirect to de.wikipedia.com b) transfer the domain to Jimmy?
What legal position do we have if he doesn't want to? Maybe he's a nice guy, but I made a google search for Thomas Promny and it seems that he owns a number of domains that he tries to sell: http://www.buythisdomain.de/domains.htm (but wikipedia.de is not mentioned there)
Kurt
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