2008/10/21 Huib Laurens sterkebak@gmail.com:

Hi,

Can somebody translate this in English please?

Loosely, with my dubious French -

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I am not happy with the administrators (bureaucrats, stewards, "and other big words") who are all as bad as each other. They .. treat Wikipedia as their personal property, and chase away any intruders. They betray the ideals of the Foundation. The worst are on the French wikipedia, but others are no better (bn, bg, wuu). Please participate in my consultation of [the masses], ie us:

* http://gn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipetã_myangekõi:Administradores ;

* <http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedijos_aptarimas:Administratoriai#R%C3%A9v...

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Astute readers will no doubt wonder why the consultation is requested to take place, apparently in French, on the Latvian and Guarani Wikipedias...

----- Original Message ----- From: Budelberger, Richard To: Wikipedia-L Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l]Révocations d'Administrateurs.

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• http://gn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipetã_myangekõi:Administradores ;

http://gn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mba%27ech%C4%A9ch%C4%A9%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=&year=2008&month=10, qui

confirme parfaitement ce que je dis : la gn.Wikipedia, comme la lt.Wikipedia, est la propriété personnelle du dénommé « Hugo.arg ». Avec la bénédiction de tous ?..

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• http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedijos_aptarimas:Administratoriai#Révocation_d'Administrateurs

Même chose (message barré). Avec de plus des menaces (d'un bureaucrate) :

   <http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naudotojo_aptarimas:Budelberger>.

http://lt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specialus%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=2008&month=10 !

Budelberger, Richard.

Yo creo que el problema con la gn.wp es que Hugo.arg no sabe hablar el guaraní. ¿Por qué otorgamos acceso administrativo a tales dictadores que no saben hablar el idioma local? Este chavo es un lituano que nunca ha viajado a Paraguay, Argentina, o Brasil, los cuales son los países donde se habla el idioma guaraní.

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I think the problem with gn.wp is that Hugo.arg doesn't speak Guarani. Why do we grant administrative access to such dictators who don't even speak the local tongue? This guy is a Lithuanian who has never been to Paraguay, Argentina, or Brazil, which are the countries where Guarani is spoken.

Mark

On 21/10/2008, Budelberger, Richard budelberger.richard@wanadoo.fr wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: Budelberger, Richard To: Wikipedia-L Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l]Révocations d'Administrateurs.

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• http://gn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipetã_myangekõi:Administradores ;

http://gn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mba%27ech%C4%A9ch%C4%A9%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=&year=2008&month=10, qui

confirme parfaitement ce que je dis : la gn.Wikipedia, comme la lt.Wikipedia, est la propriété personnelle du dénommé « Hugo.arg ». Avec la bénédiction de tous ?..

http://gn.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mba%27ech%C4%A9ch%C4%A9%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=2008&month=10.

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http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedijos_aptarimas:Administratoriai#Révocation_d'Administrateurs

Même chose (message barré). Avec de plus des menaces (d'un bureaucrate) :

   <http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naudotojo_aptarimas:Budelberger>.

http://lt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specialus%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=2008&month=10 !

Budelberger, Richard.

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It can often be a good thing if someone who doesn't speak a language does a lot to make a Wikipedia larger.

However, it can also create a harmful environment. (No particular accusation against Hugo.arg - I don't know the situation there)

When we have a Wikipedia with 5000 pages full of what appears to be good writing, that is good... but what if it's written in very poor language?

En.wp and other large Wikipedias are able to absorb text written by people with not-so-good commands of the target language, but only because they already have a large volunteer base and the vast majority of existing text is already up to par. Imagine, however, trying to start work at a Wiki that is in very poor language, difficult to understand, obviously written by someone who has only studied your language for a semester or two and is using a dictionary to get by. This isn't so bad if there are only 100 pages or so, but what if there are 1000, or 2000? This seems unacceptable to me.

On 23/10/2008, Cary Bass cary@wikimedia.org wrote:

Mark Williamson wrote:

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Yo creo que el problema con la gn.wp es que Hugo.arg no sabe hablar el guaraní. ¿Por qué otorgamos acceso administrativo a tales dictadores que no saben hablar el idioma local? Este chavo es un lituano que nunca ha viajado a Paraguay, Argentina, o Brasil, los cuales son los países donde se habla el idioma guaraní.

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I think the problem with gn.wp is that Hugo.arg doesn't speak Guarani. Why do we grant administrative access to such dictators who don't even speak the local tongue? This guy is a Lithuanian who has never been to Paraguay, Argentina, or Brazil, which are the countries where Guarani is spoken.

Mark \

I believe he's discussing http://gn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puruh%C3%A1ra_myangek%C3%B5i:Hugo.arg#Suppressions, and is complaining his templates have been deleted. Hugo.arg, who does not in fact, speak Guarani seems to have in spite of that deficiency done a great deal of work in making the Guarani Wikipedia grow.

Here is where he earned the rights from two community members...(including Kanon6917 who happens to live in Lima and speaks a small bit of Querana) http://gn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipet%C3%A3_myangek%C3%B5i:Tekohapegua#Reques...

Anyway, Richard, if there is a serious dispute with Hugo.arg, you should bring it to meta:RFC.

Cary

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Thanks for the translations

Cheers, Huib

2008/10/21, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com:

2008/10/21 Huib Laurens sterkebak@gmail.com:

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Hi,

Can somebody translate this in English please?

Pending someone that actually speak French coming along, here's Google's attempt:

"Revocation of Directors.

Hello!

I am tired of these directors (bureaucrats, stewards, etc. Other big words) any more arrogant, incompetent and vandals as each other. They are ignorant (from a ''valuable''control / manga and generally /...), the Wikipedia as their personal property, which should to hunt all intruders. They betray the ideals of the Foundation Wikimedia. Worst of all are in the fr.Wikipedia (should revoke block * *!). But others are not bad either (bn, bg, wuu ...). I ask you to participate my consultation''vulgum pecus'', namely us:

• http://gn.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipetã_myangekõi:Administradores;

• <# Http://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vikipedijos_aptarimas:Administratoriai

Révocation_d'Administrateurs

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Hi,


Budelberger, Richard (registered under the name "Budelberger"

Wikis in all, if you want to check his "contributions")."

I think the rough translation is "ADMIN ABUSE! ADMIN ABUSE!".

Problems with administrators on a given project should be dealt with on that project. Trying to hold cross-project talks on the subject are liable to failure because of difference in policy and culture and, not least, language.

Google translation of my reply (if someone wants to give an accurate translation, you're welcome to do so):

Problèmes avec les administrateurs sur un projet donné doivent être traitées sur ce projet. Essayer de tenir les pourparlers projet sur le sujet sont de nature à l'échec en raison de la différence dans la politique et de la culture et, non moins, de la langue. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l