I have been thinking of trying to write some Encyclopedia articles but I would like to discuss them with several other people while I am preparing them for publication. . Suppose I choose to write about Rose of Sharon. I could look in the Wikipedia and not find it under that heading. Perhaps it is described somewhere and I didn't find it. I could take close-up pictures of the flowers with my digital camera and describe it from what I know and what I can see. Should I include pictures of the whole plant, the seeds, or the roots? I could look in encyclopedias and books for more information. I could prepare a rough draft. After reading the instructions for submitting articles I would like to discuss it with other people and get their comments and suggestions. Someone told me that Rose of Sharon was mentioned in the Bible. Somebody may know where. Should I include that and quote the Bible passage? An historian may be able to tell what part it played in history like the thistle in Scotland and the War of the Roses in England. A botanist may be able to correct and add to my description. People in other parts of the world may tell me that it is common there. Is it the national flower of some country or does it appear on a flag? Should we include the name in some other languages? If someone else is writing an article on the same subject I might choose to let him take my article and use parts of it in his article. After I get tired of editing it I could submit it to be included in the Encyclopedia. Then the readers would have their opportunity to make changes. I didn't find articles about Jesse Ramsden who made precision navigation instruments or Count Rumsford who left Massachusetts and went to England and founded the Royal Institution. There are several other subjects that I might write about but I would like to have other people participate. How can I do this? This matter may have been discussed in e-mail but I have more than 450 e-mail on my computer so it is hard to figure out what conclusions have been reached. Merritt L. Perkins
on 9/1/03 8:38 PM, Merritt L. Perkins at mlperkins3@juno.com wrote:
I have been thinking of trying to write some Encyclopedia articles but I would like to discuss them with several other people while I am preparing them for publication. . Suppose I choose to write about Rose of Sharon. I could look in the Wikipedia and not find it under that heading. Perhaps it is described somewhere and I didn't find it. I could take close-up pictures of the flowers with my digital camera and describe it from what I know and what I can see. Should I include pictures of the whole plant, the seeds, or the roots? I could look in encyclopedias and books for more information. I could prepare a rough draft. After reading the instructions for submitting articles I would like to discuss it with other people and get their comments and suggestions. Someone told me that Rose of Sharon was mentioned in the Bible. Somebody may know where. Should I include that and quote the Bible passage? An historian may be able to tell what part it played in history like the thistle in Scotland and the War of the Roses in England. A botanist may be able to correct and add to my description. People in other parts of the world may tell me that it is common there. Is it the national flower of some country or does it appear on a flag? Should we include the name in some other languages? If someone else is writing an article on the same subject I might choose to let him take my article and use parts of it in his article. After I get tired of editing it I could submit it to be included in the Encyclopedia. Then the readers would have their opportunity to make changes.
Please do that. Jump in; the water's fine.
I didn't find articles about Jesse Ramsden who made precision navigation instruments or Count Rumsford who left Massachusetts and went to England and founded the Royal Institution. There are several other subjects that I might write about but I would like to have other people participate. How can I do this?
Another good idea
This matter may have been discussed in e-mail but I have more than 450 e-mail on my computer so it is hard to figure out what conclusions have been reached.
How to write an article is discussed at length on Wikipedia.
Merritt L. Perkins
Fred
On Mon, 1 Sep 2003, Merritt L. Perkins wrote:
I have been thinking of trying to write some Encyclopedia articles but I would like to discuss them with several other people while I am preparing them for publication. . Suppose I choose to write about Rose of Sharon. I could look in the Wikipedia and not find it under that heading. Perhaps it is described somewhere and I didn't find it.
Try doing a search using the terms under which it could be described. In this case I would search under +rose +sharon, and under its binomial name (or just the genus if it is a small one).
I could take close-up pictures of the flowers with my digital camera and describe it from what I know and what I can see. Should I include pictures of the whole plant, the seeds, or the roots?
This is up to you - what do you think would be useful, what do you think would not be very informative? I cannot give any general rules, except that I would prefer to keep it to 1 or 2 pictures, unless the article gets very large (over two pages, say).
I could look in encyclopedias and books for more information. I could prepare a rough draft. After reading the instructions for submitting articles I would like to discuss it with other people and get their comments and suggestions.
The general Wikipedia way would be to write your draft and publish it. If you have questions or ideas to enhance the page, you could place them on the Talk page.
Someone told me that Rose of Sharon was mentioned in the Bible. Somebody may know where. Should I include that and quote the Bible passage?
An historian may be able to tell what part it played in history like the thistle in Scotland and the War of the Roses in England. A botanist may be able to correct and add to my description. People in other parts of the world may tell me that it is common there. Is it the national flower of some country or does it appear on a flag? Should we include the name in some other languages?
I would say it is all your call what you think is important enough to add and what is not. I would make an exception for the names in other languages, which I personally would choose not to include (except of course the official biological binomial name), but for all others I would say, just do as you like.
If someone else is writing an article on the same subject I might choose to let him take my article and use parts of it in his article.
In general, this is done by having whoever is ready first publish it on Wikipedia, then the second one combine the tow articles.
After I get tired of editing it I could submit it to be included in the Encyclopedia. Then the readers would have their opportunity to make changes.
You might consider doing that before. There's nothing wrong with putting something on Wikipedia while it is still a 'work in progress'.
I didn't find articles about Jesse Ramsden who made precision navigation instruments or Count Rumsford who left Massachusetts and went to England and founded the Royal Institution.
There's many thousands of other interesting subjects that we do not have... It's all still 'work in progress'.
There are several other subjects that I might write about but I would like to have other people participate. How can I do this?
I don't think there is any specific method for that on Wikipedia. We all just write on what we want to write on, and cooperation comes when we happen to be writing on the same thing.
Andre Engels
Merritt L. Perkins wrote:
I have been thinking of trying to write some Encyclopedia articles but I would like to discuss them with several other people while I am preparing them for publication. . Suppose I choose to write about Rose of Sharon. I could look in the Wikipedia and not find it under that heading.
(...snip, snip, snip) Perfectionism can be a very diappointing experience when writing on Wikipedia. There is no such thing as a perfect article. If you want contact with people interested in the Rose of Sharon, you are far more likely to find that on the talk page for that article than on this mailing list. In education, perfectionism is one of the most difficult problems for gifted children. It is very hard for them to accept that their errors are not faults. They would often prefer to fail in school by producing nothing than by producing what they consider to be sub-standard work.
If someone else is writing an article on the same subject I might choose to let him take my article and use parts of it in his article.
In a collaborative process everybody is contributing at the same time. The article will be neither yours nor his.
After I get tired of editing it I could submit it to be included in the Encyclopedia.
Why wait?
There are several other subjects that I might write about but I would like to have other people participate. How can I do this?
Just do it. Once you write, you may wish that they didn't participate.
This matter may have been discussed in e-mail but I have more than 450 e-mail on my computer so it is hard to figure out what conclusions have been reached.
If you have 450 e-mails on your computer, you probably need to simply delete half of them. :-)
Good luck!
Ray
Merritt L. Perkins wrote:
I have been thinking of trying to write some Encyclopedia articles but I would like to discuss them with several other people while I am preparing them for publication.
In the Wikipedia method, you don't talk first, you do it!
Just put whatever you have now in the encyclopaedia, Incomplete? Either you or another person can add it later. Information that you don't know? Mention it on the talk page. Want help from another user? Ask on their user talk page.
If you just discuss it privately, then somebody else may write it first, and then all of your plans are for nought. Just write what you have now. Then write more. And discuss it on the talk page that any editor can read.
-- Toby
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