On Tuesday 09 July 2002 02:27 pm, Lee wrote:
But even so, I'm not sure a fork is such a bad thing (or to be clear, I don't think it's bad if some other group owns one of the foreign Wikis--I do think it's bad to have to separate ones).
To be clear, what I meant by "fork" was that there are two or more projects doing the exact same thing in the same language (in this case, two Spanish language FDLd encyclopedia's with the same darn editing rules and very similar policies).
So long as the underlying software is compatible so that things like inter wiki links work, then it doesn't matter that a particular language wiki is not on the same server as other languages or not (would be nice to have all languages with the same software soon...). My main point was that if efforts between the two Spanish wikis were combined, then that wiki would grow even faster and have even better quality articles.
Speaking of forking Lee, do you have any idea if Enciclopedia Libre Universal en Español plan on forking the php codebase? -- that too would be an unfortunate duplication of effort (in the same way as it would be unfortunate if Linux forked).
On Tuesday 09 July 2002 02:27 pm, Jan Hidders wrote:
Is that really such a big problem? I know it wastes effort but we can still copy articles from them and vice versa, right?
Yes, all text on either side can be copied back and forth because of the FDL (not sure about the link -- I thought that was an encouraged condition and not a requirement?), but merging articles is time consumming and wouldn't be needed if there were only one Spanish language FDLd wiki encyclopedia project.
On Tuesday 09 July 2002 05:45 pm, Anthere wrote:
I know some of us seem to consider forking later on a sort of natural occurrence. Others do not...
On Tuesday 09 July 2002 05:45 pm, Brion wrote:
I personally would have no real objection to an _amicable_ fork, in which a group runs their own server but we all work together on matters of mutual interest: use of the name, integration/linking between languages, sharing updates to the software, etc.
Could not have said it better myself.
--maveric149
Daniel Mayer wrote:
On Tuesday 09 July 2002 02:27 pm, Lee wrote:
But even so, I'm not sure a fork is such a bad thing (or to be clear, I don't think it's bad if some other group owns one of the foreign Wikis--I do think it's bad to have to separate ones).
To be clear, what I meant by "fork" was that there are two or more projects doing the exact same thing in the same language (in this case, two Spanish language FDLd encyclopedia's with the same darn editing rules and very similar policies).
So long as the underlying software is compatible so that things like inter wiki links work, then it doesn't matter that a particular language wiki is not on the same server as other languages or not (would be nice to have all languages with the same software soon...).
For kicks, I tried adding lang links to the article on Esperanto: http://enciclopedia.us.es/wiki.phtml?title=Esperanto&oldID=19263
The links point to the correct places, but they appear in the text rather than being automagically listed in the page header by language name. It looks like they've tweaked the code to remove the integration feature, but links can still be made.
My main point was that if efforts between the two Spanish wikis were combined, then that wiki would grow even faster and have even better quality articles.
No argument here!
Speaking of forking Lee, do you have any idea if Enciclopedia Libre Universal en Español plan on forking the php codebase? -- that too would be an unfortunate duplication of effort (in the same way as it would be unfortunate if Linux forked).
The last time I heard anything from them about the software was April 30, when Juan Antonio Ruiz Rivas (juanan@us.es) contributed the Spanish localization file. Their server doesn't have special_edituser.php, which was added to CVS May 13, so they seem to have a version of the codebase from roughly that period, late April-ish.
I don't know if they're doing separate development from that codebase, or just not updating. Ask Juan directly, or maybe he's still on intlwiki-l.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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