Node, the Ronline proposal was basically a proposal to *save* the Moldovan Wikipedia with a few compromises. I don't know why you're saying that the result "could've tipped the other way". The other way was the shutting down of the Moldovan Wikipedia. The Ronline proposal basically enabled the Moldovan Wikipedia to go forward, which is why it was voted by all the three users you claim are legitimate (me, you and Dmitriid). Had Gabix been given the right to vote, I am nearly certain he would have voted for the Ronline proposal (instead of the shutting down option).
I have observed your arguments with many people on the Moldovan language and Romanian language articles on Wikipedia (and mostly I have chosen not to involve myself) but I think that you need to understand that in a case like this, compromise is necessary. The "chirilica" inclusion *is* necessary and is a reasonable compromise. The only way to have voted against that inclusion was to have voted against the Ronline proposal, in which case the Moldovan Wikipedia would have been shut down. You had the chance to make an amendment even, and yet you didn't. Dmitriid made one (about Wikipedia in romana instead of Wikipedia Romania, I think) and his was voted in.
However, as I said on the Moldovan Wikipedia, anyone has the chance to propose a new proposal or call a vote on the existing proposal or model. So, if you're unhappy about the chirilica inclusion, then propose an amendment and put it up for voting. Until that, the Ronline proposal must be fully implemented, because it was voted in, and one of the inclusions must be the chirilica interwiki.
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Apparently, you did not read my message.
The main complaint was about how the decisions were not made by real contributors, but mostly by "invaders" who came only to argue and vote, and left immediately after the vote concluded.
Now, I think that you certainly have the right to contribute to a decision-making process, having contributed significantly to mo.wiki; however this is not the case for most of the participants in the vote, whose only contributions were to talkpages (or, in the case of a couple, with two or three cosmetic changes to content pages to attempt to make themselves look like legitimate contributors).
Even if the vote had said to close down mo.wiki, I do not think that would ever have happened because:
There are real people who use the Cyrillic script for their language, and it is currently the only script allowed in education in the breakaway Pridniestrian Moldovan Republic (aka Transdniestr), for all official languages -- Moldovan, Ukrainian, and Russian.
The main reasonings for closing mo.wiki were 100% illogical:
1) Because Cyrillic is ugly; 2) Because Cyrillic is a Stalinist tool for the seperation of the Moldovan peoples from "their Romanian brethren"; 3) Because Cyrillic is a relic of the past, and all people still using it must be ignorant or Stalinist, and thus should be ignored entirely because such people do not deserve a Wikipedia; 4) Because the Moldovan Wikipedia is a terrorist pithole (Anittas said that, it made me laugh, compared to the other reasons which made me disappointed in the most basic logic and reason which I previously thought to be universal traits of human beings); 5) The official script in Moldova since 1989 is the Roman alphabet, and no other nation recognises Transdniestr, so we should completely ignore the people using the script because it's not official; 6) Because it is offensive to the people of Moldova (this reason is especially illogical because all of the people who said it were Romanians); 7) Because using Cyrillic to write limba noastra is a perversion or some other thing basically equivalent with linguistic nationalistic blasphemy;
and numerous other reasons which would be laughed at by any sane disinterested party.
There is some disagreement as to whether or not Moldovan is an independent language, however there is no disagreement that Cyrillic is still used to write it by some people and is taught in the schools of Transdniestr (Schools teaching the Roman alphabet were declared to be operating illegally as public schools and shut down, so only Cyrillic-teaching schools remain).
The Moldovan Wikipedia now has well over 100 articles, so if a new vote were called, and the invaders tipped the scale and voted for its deletion or closure in some other manner, there would simply be nothing to consider and the matter would be closed with the status quo respected.
Mark
On 23/08/05, Wikipedia Romania (Ronline) rowikipedia@yahoo.com wrote:
Node, the Ronline proposal was basically a proposal to *save* the Moldovan Wikipedia with a few compromises. I don't know why you're saying that the result "could've tipped the other way". The other way was the shutting down of the Moldovan Wikipedia. The Ronline proposal basically enabled the Moldovan Wikipedia to go forward, which is why it was voted by all the three users you claim are legitimate (me, you and Dmitriid). Had Gabix been given the right to vote, I am nearly certain he would have voted for the Ronline proposal (instead of the shutting down option).
I have observed your arguments with many people on the Moldovan language and Romanian language articles on Wikipedia (and mostly I have chosen not to involve myself) but I think that you need to understand that in a case like this, compromise is necessary. The "chirilica" inclusion *is* necessary and is a reasonable compromise. The only way to have voted against that inclusion was to have voted against the Ronline proposal, in which case the Moldovan Wikipedia would have been shut down. You had the chance to make an amendment even, and yet you didn't. Dmitriid made one (about Wikipedia in romana instead of Wikipedia Romania, I think) and his was voted in.
However, as I said on the Moldovan Wikipedia, anyone has the chance to propose a new proposal or call a vote on the existing proposal or model. So, if you're unhappy about the chirilica inclusion, then propose an amendment and put it up for voting. Until that, the Ronline proposal must be fully implemented, because it was voted in, and one of the inclusions must be the chirilica interwiki.
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